Need Opinion on upgrade to BB set with ceramic bearings
I was looking at this myself a few months ago...this is the gist of what I found
drawbacks: price (~$hundreds ceramic vs ~$40 non ceramic depending on SRAM, Shimano, Campy)
Performance benefits: unnoticeable at the (relative) low speeds your crank turns (as compared to industrial machinery)...somewhere on the order of .xx watts savings
So, basically...I've heard they're not worth it...
this was all based off internet and forum searches though, so someone feel free to point me to other evidence
I'm planning on replacing my BB with a ceramic FSA. I've thought about retro-fitting my bearings in my wheel hubs with ceramic bearings and changing the deralleur pulley wheels to FSA ceramics (eBay for less than $100). If it has bearings, why not try ceramic? If you believe any of the science behind it, supposedly the reduction in friction helps save a few watts (really, really few) just by changing out bearings. So if you're building one up and can spec ceramic, go for it. Just don't say it makes you faster.
If you have a SRAM BB... do it. The seal friction on those is terrible and never really loosens up. Swapping to ceramic will save you about 4W. Just keep in mind it's not due to the quality of the bearings, rather the friction caused by the bearing seals. Ceramics are commonly unsealed, merely shielded, and as such can get debris between the balls and races. In full ceramic bearings, i.e. ceramic balls and races, this doesn't hurt longevity because everything is so hard it will pulverize the dirt. Downside: full ceramics are very expensive, and I don't believe any manufacturer specs these in their BB's. And good luck finding an aftermarket option that is more than just a swap of the stainless balls to ceramic ones, but still have stainless races that will erode over time. Another downside to ceramics is the added maintenance required to run them. Since they aren't sealed, you will have to replace the lubricant regularly, which may requite you to take off the cranks. Not a huge deal, but can be a hassle. And if you do get one that's sealed, remember that the reduction in friction between your standard $40 stainless bearing BB and the $200 ceramic balled one is due almost entirely to seal friction and grease. So a sealed ceramic bearing won't really do anything for you. And if you're a good tinkerer, you can pull the seals off a stainless bearing, replace the grease with low viscosity lube and get to the point where there are negligible gains for going ceramic.
Short answer: do yourself, and your sanity, a favor and just get the standard bb. It's a lot less to worry about, and won't hurt your performance one bit. But upgrading bearings in your race wheels to full ceramics (~$250) would be a fun experiment, as they don't get anywhere near the amount of debris or mileage as your BB will.
I've heard of the benefits being more pronounced in the wheel hubs than the BB. Also, not a performance benefit, per se, but ceramic bearings are supposed to be more durable, somewhat justifying their price
based on your extensive answer, is 4w in your BB worth it?
In mine? Nah. I'm running standard SRAM GXP's in 3 of my 4 race bikes. The tri bike has FSA's stock mega exo. No ceramics anywhere. As I have a spare GXP sitting around the house, I may try to remove the bearing seals from it and replace the grease to see what sort of difference you can get just from that. I've heard about 95-98% of the performance of ceramics (minus the reliability...). We'll see if I ever find the time to do it. Maybe after cross season.
Interesting - if 4 watts is a real number, that's roughly a 1% - 2% gain. Said another way, that would mean a 2 minute gain over a 56 mile race.
Would I pay $100 for a 2 minute gain in my half iron times? Yes, other than the additional maintenance you guys are telling me about.
I look forward to more comments...
Thanks,
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Interesting - if 4 watts is a real number, that's roughly a 1% - 2% gain. Said another way, that would mean a 2 minute gain over a 56 mile race.
I'll assume you're not Armstrong and go with a 200W average over 56 mi, rather than 400... Making some general assumptions about crr (0.005), CdA (0.25), rider+bike weight (83 kg - we'll use me...), and standard temp/pressure, plus presuming no elevation change, popping the numbers into analytic cycling gives the following results:
200W (Standard Bearings): 22.64 mph = 2:28:25
204W (Full Ceramics): 22.82 mph = 2:27:14
0:01:11 is a none-too-shabby drop in time just from swapping to a ceramic bearing bb. But keep in mind this is the maximum difference you will see and will only be found with a non-sealed bearing set-up. If you go with a sealed ceramic option, you probably won't see any difference other than increased longevity.
If I run this again for an olympic split in an hour flat we see the following:
255.4W (Standard Bearings): 24.85 mph = 1:00:00
259.4W (Full Ceramics): 25.01 mph = 0:59:37
Yeah, I'll save 23 seconds, but to me that's not worth it. Instead of all the added maintenance coming from cleaning and re-greasing my bb every 3rd day, I could spend the extra hour or 2 per week training on my bike and be able to push 10W more on the course and save 50 sec instead.
So there is really a significant difference in a non-sealed ceramic bearing set-up verus a sealed ceramic set up?
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Yes. The majority of the friction in any bearing set-up is caused by seal friction. Basically, the nylon seal that is installed to prevent grit from getting between the balls and races contacts the balls directly, as well. It is this contact that creates the drag. You can just as easily get the performance of ceramics out of a steel ball bearing by removing the seals and using a light oil lubricant. There is very, very little friction between the balls and races of any bearing.
The downside of using an open/shielded steel bearing is that grit will definitely get inside and foul the balls/races. The benefit of ceramics is not, per se, the decrease in friction, rather the increased hardness of the balls and races. Instead of being pocked by grit, ceramics instead pulverize it, thus increasing longevity. That is the real advantage of a ceramic bearing set-up. Just remember that you need ceramic balls and races for this to be the case. Only using ceramic balls will not give you much increased life span as the races will be damaged just as easily as in a steel balled bearing.
I'm assuming a new SRAM Red BB with ceramic bearings would be sealed???
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I will be building up a new TT bike this winter. Does anyone have an opinion on getting a BB set with ceramic bearings? Is there any significant difference in performance are there any drawbacks?
Any advise is appreciated.
Thanks
Howard
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