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started by Tri438 on April 11, 2009

Hi there,

I'm a newbie and a bit of a nutter--which seems to be a relative term here. :-D

I'm going to test 6 Krispy Kreme donuts and 4 packets of Grits for breakfast tomorrow morning to see if it's appropriate fuel for an HIM -- I'll start with the 2000M swim + 30 Mile bike and a 3mile run. 1200 cals should get me to the middle of the bike and the Grits should get me the rest of the way. I'm small, light, slow and weak -- my only asset: I can eat 2 burritos(no hot sauce!) or just about anything and not hurl during the run.

Does anyone see anything wrong with this type of plan on race day if I toss in (3)Gels and (12 pieces)bloks on the bike and diluted gatorade on the run? Am I missing something?

My first HIM is in 4 weeks and I found that I need to eat a lot. I think I burn about 770 cals an an hour average and I'm looking between a 6 and 6.5 hour finish. 2600 cals accounted for and 2000 in body stored reserves I think. Are my numbers off?

I may be good at math but I have never done this before. Advice from anyone would be much appreciated.

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SueR posted 48 weeks ago.

ummmmm, seriously, 6 donuts? Let me know how it works....If your stomach can handle it, sure. I don't know how longterm the fuel from the donuts would be, but the grits should work.

My pre HIM meal is oatmeal (old fashioned) with brown sugar and nuts, a bagel with peanut butter and jam, coffee with fresh milk, some water/couple of mouthfuls of accelerade and a gel 15m pre start.

Keep us posted!

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derek5 posted 48 weeks ago.

At high intensities most people cannot take in much more than 300 calories an hour. I burn about 840 an hour during a HIM but only take in about 240-275 an hour. Sure the math doesn't add up..... If I burn 840 an hour and it takes me 5 hours that is 4320 calories I burned and I only ate roughly 1250. So that doesn't mean I need a 3000 calorie breakfast to hold me through. Everyone is different, but nobody that I know tries to replenish the same amount of calories as they burn.

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brittda posted 48 weeks ago.

Really? One kk is enoght to make me vomit (they are empty calories), and seems like a lot of calories to take in even pre race that won't give you much fuel for the day. My pre race meal is a whole wheat english muffin with 2TB pb and honey with a banana(chopped) on top. I will drink 16 oz of gatorade and then 15 min before the start take a gel to get me through the swim (for an IM). Add in a cup or 2 of black coffee.
As the prevouse posters have said, you don't need to replenish the same ammt of calories but give it a whirl and if it works for you go for it!

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kylie posted 48 weeks ago.

Honestly I think this post must be a joke... but in case it is not... you get out of your body what you put in.

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f1oored posted 48 weeks ago.

Krispy Kremes are great warm but probably less than ideal for race food (too much fat content). I know that if I was doing a HIM I would need more than a english muffin and a banana. That breakfast wouldn't get me through a 5K. Brittda must be the Toyota Prius of people.

I say give the KKs a shot. If nothing else, you can call it training for the Tour de Donut (check the race sites for local listings).

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tri-ac posted 48 weeks ago.

(hot krispy kreme + 1 scoop of vanilla ice cream in the hole) + a fine lager (or ale) =

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brittda posted 48 weeks ago.

f1oored wrote:
Krispy Kremes are great warm but probably less than ideal for race food (too much fat content). I know that if I was doing a HIM I would need more than a english muffin and a banana. That breakfast wouldn't get me through a 5K. Brittda must be the Toyota Prius of people.

I say give the KKs a shot. If nothing else, you can call it training for the Tour de Donut (check the race sites for local listings).

That is PRE- race in the morning (I do the same for a marathon) I certainly eat throughout the race. Had a pb and honey sammich during both IM races on the bike. You would have to eat all that the night before for your body to be able to use it. You don't want to be too bogged down and sluggish before the race which is what that huge amount of sugar will do. You'll feel great for a bit and then crash. The key is to eat something that will stick with you and still give you energy.

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Tri438 posted 48 weeks ago.

Kylie,

Dead serious. I did it this morning at 6 am. 4 packets of bacon flavored grits, 4 KK donuts ( I thought about the grease content and decided not to do all 6 and substituted a banana -- Thanks Floored! ) I was in the pool by 8am. No problem during the swim, but I had a mild indigestion/reflux coming out of the water after 2000M -- probably the grease. Everything was fine after I was on the bike for a few minutes. I just drank water till the end of the ride and everything stayed down. But I couldn't eat anything on the bike without the reflux coming back. Managed a gel just before the run and went with water instead of diluted gatorade.

The grease content is maybe higher than I thought and the after swim, indigestion is a bit of a concern. I think he grits and banana definitely had a buffering effect otherwise it would have been an 'off' day or a short workout. In 85-90 degree heat this probably would not be a good nutrition plan for me.

Pre - race I think will be better off with Grits, Gatorade, Coffee, toast and jam, banana, 2 boiled eggs and 2 blueberry muffins (400 cals).

Thanks all. It was worth a shot but I think the swim and the KK's don't mix.

P.S. For lunch I went to Sweet Tomatoes and piled on spinach salad, muffins and lots of chicken noodle soup because Kylie made me feel guilty. :-D

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kylie posted 48 weeks ago.

I don't mean to make you feel guilty -- although I guess it can be a favor as well ;) Although Sweet Tomatoes is one of my weaknesses! So many good breads.... mmmm...

However, I really believe that won't be setting your body up for a great day. Sure, it might work, but how much better could your nutrition work for you? I can also eat just about anything training. I had pizza once in a race (adventure race, so a bit slower paced, but still not really smart from a performance point of view), and used candy bars during some of my first tris. But I've learned how much better race day is if I fuel smart -- both before and during the race. If you don't put the right fuel in your car it doesn't run the same.

As for your second list (the one in your post above) that sounds better -- but 400cals? Just in the muffins, or is that your total for all of it? I could easily see that total being a lot higher -- 75 per egg, can be tons in a muffin depending on size/type, gatorade is like 50 per 8oz serving (and who drinks just 8oz?), and toast is in the 250 range without toppings. I thought grits had a decent cal load, too. I'm not saying don't eat it, I'm saying for a race breakfast you might want to check your numbers and make sure you are getting what you think you are.

Something my husband and I often have to remind each other of: sure, we just did a hard/long/awesome/etc bike/swim/run. But that doesn't mean we should go eat a donut (mmmm) because the point of that workout was to get stronger at swim/bike/run, and if we had "treat" snacks after every workout it would be all our eating. Yes, part of why I train is to eat what I want. But I still try to be reasonable about the amount of treats because I also train to get better at this whole triathlon thing.

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beads1985 posted 48 weeks ago.

Tri438 wrote:
Hi there,

I'm a newbie and a bit of a nutter--which seems to be a relative term here. :-D

I'm going to test 6 Krispy Kreme donuts and 4 packets of Grits for breakfast tomorrow morning to see if it's appropriate fuel for an HIM -- I'll start with the 2000M swim + 30 Mile bike and a 3mile run. 1200 cals should get me to the middle of the bike and the Grits should get me the rest of the way. I'm small, light, slow and weak -- my only asset: I can eat 2 burritos(no hot sauce!) or just about anything and not hurl during the run.

Does anyone see anything wrong with this type of plan on race day if I toss in (3)Gels and (12 pieces)bloks on the bike and diluted gatorade on the run? Am I missing something?

My first HIM is in 4 weeks and I found that I need to eat a lot. I think I burn about 770 cals an an hour average and I'm looking between a 6 and 6.5 hour finish. 2600 cals accounted for and 2000 in body stored reserves I think. Are my numbers off?

I may be good at math but I have never done this before. Advice from anyone would be much appreciated.


I think that sounds like the Homer Simpson training plan! ;-)

'Nothing to it, but to do it!'

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Carlos Mx posted 48 weeks ago.

kylie wrote:

Something my husband and I often have to remind each other of: sure, we just did a hard/long/awesome/etc bike/swim/run. But that doesn't mean we should go eat a donut (mmmm) because the point of that workout was to get stronger at swim/bike/run, and if we had "treat" snacks after every workout it would be all our eating. Yes, part of why I train is to eat what I want. But I still try to be reasonable about the amount of treats because I also train to get better at this whole triathlon thing.

I try to use that 30 minute window after a hard workout to have all the carb loaded treats I wouldn't eat at any other times. I've never tried KK's before, but they are great after a hard workout.

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kylie posted 47 weeks ago.

That window is for carbs -- that your body uses to rebuild stronger and better. Not fats and sugars that it can't use as well. That is when your body is the most receptive to taking in carbs and using them, so why not give it the best tools you can?

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