Quickly Dropping Body Fat
I'd bike more because you can go longer. You need more than 30 min cardio per day. At least one hour to really burn into the body fat. Not sure the run is going to get that for you unless you can run for 60 mins or more.
I'd cut out ALL white bread, white rice, white pastas, etc. Get on with tuna, salmon, chicken, green leafy veggies, nuts, etc. Apples, spinach, whole wheat if you want bread. Eat 6 times a day at least in smaller portions. I think you may want to shave a few more calories off that amount. You could safely lose around 6-8% bodyfat in the time you have.
I started at 267lbs last year and am down to 185. I biked my tail off until I got below 200 and then started the running. I ate between 1700 and 2000 cals per day for a very long time. Best of luck in your contest.
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I agree with paganpj. Not only can you bike longer than you can run, biking is also much easier on your knees. At 280 (even 6'8", 280), that's a serious consideration.
Also, lifting light wieght/high reps (4 set of 12 reps per exercise) should help. Two reasons: 1) you'll burn fat more efficiently if you have more muscle to burn it with, and 2) it'll help strengthen your ligaments for the other stuff.
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Also, if you drink alcohol, i would cut back or completely stop drinking. I heard that alcohol has lots of calories. This is from Men's Health:
"... alcohol is high in calories, about 7 per gram. And that's before you add sugary mixers to your rum or vodka. But drinking has a greater effect than simply increasing the number of calories consumed. Alcohol reduces the amount of fat your body burns for energy.
Consider this study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition where eight men each were given two vodka drinks made with sugar-free lemonade, which they drank within about an hour. Their fat metabolism was measured before and after they drank the vodka. It turned out that the amount of fat the guys burned dropped 73 percent for several hours after they finished their drinks.
Why? Because when the alcohol in your blood is broken down by your liver, it is converted into a waste product called acetate. When acetate levels rise, your body burns acetate for fuel instead of the fat you are trying to lose."
And if you don't drink, good for you and good luck!
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High reps, low weight like the others said. You can probably pretty easily build up to compete in the pull-up part if you just treat it like any other lifting set. Start with 3 sets of 2 or 3 reps, whatever you can handle. In two months you should be up to 3 reps of 12-15 or even more, take a few days off before the competition and for one showing you'll probably be able to do quite a bit more. Also it'll let you build muscle and burn fat, works your core, and is a great quick upper body exercise considering most of your concentration will be on cardio using your legs.
Good luck. Let us know how you fare.
Go long, go aerobic. If half of the challenge is to reduce body fat %, then you really want to become efficient at burning fat. Bulk aerobic is the key to that process. Mix it up though. If you focus too long on one particular muscle group (say cycling muscles) then your capacity to burn fat will approach an asymptote and you'll essentially reduce the potential mass for metabolism. Swim, run, and light weights will round things out.
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nothing to add but, "good luck! good for you!"
keep us posted on your progress!
Keep us posted, I too have dropped weight and improved but did it over the last year. Go long and stay aerobic for most of the training.
Good luck and keep us posted.
I will definitely update everyone with final results - but a quick interim update since I'm replying: came in at my lowest weight in over 4 years at 275 (the 280 above is an estimate so not saying I dropped 5lbs in a couple of days). The last three days have focused on long runs and cycling sessions, with core work (thanks core thread for being a constant reminder).
Thanks for the tips, everyone.
"I'd bike more because you can go longer... I'd cut out ALL white bread, white rice, white pastas, etc."
-Great tips. I've started to cut out all white grains as you've suggested. And kudos on your own progress.
"Also, lifting light wieght/high reps"
-The more I've been reading lately (trying to build a solid knowledge foundation...), the more I come across this. I'm going to incorporate low weight, high rep lifting twice a week.
"Also, if you drink alcohol, i would cut back or completely stop drinking... It turned out that the amount of fat the guys burned dropped 73 percent for several hours after they finished their drinks."
-Ouch. That sucks. I'm not a heavy drinker, but I've always counted beer/single malt calories like any other calories. +200 is +200. Guess not. That 73% is kind of a sobering number. I have no interest in cutting alcohol out of my life completely, but this feedback warrants at least cutting it out until June 25th. Great tip! (Don't get me wrong, I'm looking for permanent change, but I've lost 40lbs while maintaining consumption so I think I can keep it off as long as I don't over indulge going forward, not that I do now.)
"In two months you should be up to 3 reps of 12-15 or even more."
-Encouraging words. This is the challenge that in the back of my mind I'm hoping to get up to speed on. A 2nd or 3rd finish here would be helpful - because the run and sprint are really going to be 4th or 5th.
"you focus too long on one particular muscle group (say cycling muscles) then your capacity to burn fat will approach an asymptote and you'll essentially reduce the potential mass for metabolism."
-Variety is the spice of life, it seems. I'm hoping to focus on a balance, as you suggest, so that I'm working different muscles.
Thanks again, everyone. Will keep you updated.
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Any tips on whether or not I should try a recovery specific drink vesus a protein shake after workouts? When I was younger I used protein like EAS powder mixed with water or milk, or blended into a smoothie. I'm wondering if it would be good to use a recovery product, like Endurox, or if those products are still too carb rich (the sugars seem really high). Little sore after starting lifting (didn't go out too hard, just been a while), and figure I should get back on something.
Thoughts?
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If your purely just trying to lose body fat, I would recommend more weight training. Muscles burn more calories over time than running or cycling. Since your results are being measured by a caliper test, adding muscle mass would be a good thing.
Good luck - I just finished the P90X program and lost 25lbs. Its now time to get back into some serious tri training!!
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I'm going to throw in my input, but I'm going to have to ask a few questions of you first...
1) Is swimming your weakest and most inefficient discipline?
2) At 3200 calories a day, what has been the rate of body mass loss per week?
3) How many meals are you eating per day?
4) What do your meals look like?
I'm going to throw it out there that you could probably drop 20-25 healthy pounds between now and June 25, with lean mass preservation. There is a perfect formula out there for you, but here are some shotgun tips to get you started.
1) Cut your baseline caloric intake by 500 calories per day. Cycle this drop weekly. (e.g. week 1, drop 500 cals per day, week 2 drop 600 per day, week 3 drop 300 per day, repeat). This would mean 2700 cals a day for the first week, 2600 the second, 2900 the third week, etc.)
2) Perform your weakest and most inefficient exercise the most (i.e. the one that has your heart pounding the entire time at the highest HR.) Your body will eventually adapt to this exercise, and when it does - switch it up. Cycling is the MOST efficient form of transportation - this will only burn the calories you need if you get on your bike for 3 hours a day whereas 1 hour of steady state swimming at your 80% pace will burn more.
3) Eat all your simple carbs early in the day and before workouts. Eat complex carbs in the afternoon and evening. No need to eat simple carbs at night - if you need carbs at dinner, make them complex. Try to eat 40 g of protein per meal - totaling 200 grams per day. Protein takes the most energy to burn up and it will help with lean mass preservation.
4) Circuit weight train. Don't lift weights and take 3 minutes to recover - lift one set, take 10 seconds and move right back into it. Go from exercise to exercise and keep it to the large muscle groups - i.e. squats, deadlifts, pullups, bench press, etc. More muscle recruitment = higher caloric expenditure. Plus, the circuit training will keep your HR up therefore increase expenditure through that avenue as well.
5) Post-training - consume a 50:50 mix drink of protein to carbs. a 40g:40g mix is good. Accelerade and protein mixed in the blender works pretty nicely.
6) I'd do 3x a week 1 hr swim with intervals tossed in at random times, 2x a week circuit train with weights, 1x a week long cycle with predetermined interval sets included at random times, and run 1x a week with interval sets included.
That should do it. remember to cycle the carbs and try not to eat after dinner. Gear your nutrition around your workouts to ensure that you're properly fueled but don't give in to eating carbs at night when you're running a caloric deficit. I think you'll be pretty successful.
I appreciate the thoughtful and detailed responses. There are good ideas that will augment my approach.
The last week seems to have progressed well - I've stuck to all 60 min+ aerobic workouts, two days of lifting at high reps, one recovery day. Food intake has been higher quality and lower quantity.
rhane - if it helps further, here are some answers:
1. Maybe. It is between swimming and running. My 5k time is around 28mins and my 750m time is around 23mins. So both aren't that great.
2. My weight loss has somewhat hit a plateau. From Jan to about 3 weeks ago I've been swamped with work, and haven't had much time to dedicate, coupled with poor eating habits during the long hours. Prior to the plateau, I'd dropped about 40lbs in just over a year.
3. I had been sticking to 3 meals with some minimal snacking (mostly trail mix, not the best snack). I'm trying to break it up into a Calorie pattern similar to: 250, 250, 600, 250, 600, 250
4. My focus for the past couple of weeks has been to eat things like clif bars, fruit, yogurt, etc. for breakfast. Lunch - sandwich or burrito bowl. Dinner - sushi, fajitas, etc. The snacks are the bad part - trail mix is probably the worst part. And, my food hasn't exactly matched that pattern although the last week has been pretty good.
The 200g of protein, spread throughout the day, seems intuitive. Lot of chicken and salmon for me.
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orangedog - you're yearly weightloss is very impressive and it looks like you're keeping things going. I'm sure you already know this, but to reiterate - diet trumps exercise in terms of pure weight loss. There was an article in Inside Triathlon mag a year or so ago where the authors took 1 group and increased their exercise by 1 hr per day and another group decreased their diets by the equivalent of what the other group was burning with that extra hour of exercise. The diet group lost more weight. But, IMO, diet is the hardest part - eating well and often is as much work as trying to fit in good quality workouts. When work/school piles up it's easy for me to get skimpy on the workouts and lazy with the food. Since I really do the sport for the enjoyment of it, and the exercise, I can get away with it - but I feel where you're coming from.
Above all else I'd be proud of what you've accomplished so far. Trail mix is actually a healthy choice - plenty of omegas, some protein - all things you need as an athlete, especially when you're immediate goal is weightloss. The hard part about that stuff is it's so tasty it's easy to eat a gallon of it at once (I do it, ha!) One cup is apparently all you need to take it up to 300 calories, or something close to that.
Best of luck, keep us posted.
rhane is right, you should be proud of what you have accomplished. A couple of thoughts to consider. Your body will adapt to whatever you are doing - whether its diet or exercise. So if you stick with detialed regime for 4 - 6 weeks your body will start to adapt to that and possibly plateau. Something as simple as reversing your meal plan can confuse your body in a positive way.
And I will say again to not underestimate the fat loss power of a good weight training program. Your body will continue to burn calories from an aerobic workout for 1-2 hours after you have completed your workout. Your body will continue to burn calories for 1-2 days as a result of a good weight lifting session. Of course this depends on your goals. If its to get better at triathlons then I would recommend you continue on the training plan you are on, but if its to lose as much body fat as possible in roughly ten weeks, I would consider weight training more with less aerobic exercise.
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The issue with trail mix is that it is so good... it is hard to exercise control.
I do think that I've somewhat hit a plateau and I need to mix up my diet. Not just improvement, which it could use, but a change. An acquaintence of mine has recently lost a significant amount of weight by sticking to a nutrition plan he came across. He is going to share that with me and I'll see if I can gain anything from it.
As a side note, eating every few hours has taken quite a bit of effort, and planning.
The calorie burn comment about weight lifting is interesting - a friend of mine has said the same thing. I did low weight/high rep weights two days last week. I may do another week at two days and then increase to three the following. And I agree - multi-muscle lifts are the way to go.
So far, things are going well.
For those interested in the competition - we've also decided to scratch the caliper method. Even though it will be wrong by some margin of error, we're going to use one of those Tanita scales. At least it will be wrong consistently. One guy in our group had his body fat % measured end of last week. He came in at around 16.6%. He had a different lady re-measure him yesterday, and he came in at around 16.8%. So - we figured we had a consistent method. Then, another guy (who supposedly trained everyone at the gym on how to use calipers) was standing around and we decided to have a third test. The last fellow measured the same competitor's body fat % at above 21%. A 5% swing just won't work. So, we're going to the electric scale.
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For those interested in the competition - we've also decided to scratch the caliper method. Even though it will be wrong by some margin of error, we're going to use one of those Tanita scales. At least it will be wrong consistently. One guy in our group had his body fat % measured end of last week. He came in at around 16.6%. He had a different lady re-measure him yesterday, and he came in at around 16.8%. So - we figured we had a consistent method. Then, another guy (who supposedly trained everyone at the gym on how to use calipers) was standing around and we decided to have a third test. The last fellow measured the same competitor's body fat % at above 21%. A 5% swing just won't work. So, we're going to the electric scale.
One note on those scales, your level of hydration greatly influences your body fat percentage readouts on those. Best for consistent results is to pick a time of day, like the morning when you're the most dehydrated, or the end of the day when presumably you're the most hydrated and stick to the same time of day for all. I've seen swings of around 4% on my Tanita scale depending on my hydration level.
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+1 to Ironmom. I have large shifts from morning to night (3-4%). Same thing if I weigh in the morning after a high sodium meal (such as if we've ordered or made Thai food that tends to be saltier with soy sauce, fish sauce).
It's good enough to give me a sense of where I'm at, but I don't presume it's 100% on-target.
so, tactically speaking, your body fat % reads lower when you are less hydrated...?
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from what I understand, yes....the way the scales work (going from memory here, so could be faulty) is they send an electrical signal through your body (via the feet) and wait for it to return. fat is insulative, so electricity travels slower through it, but water isn't a great conductor either...so the scale would see more water in the body as higher BF%.
someone correct me if I'm wrong here...it falls in line with what I've seen on my scale too.
I weigh every night and every morning....(not fat % but weight) and am always 3-4 lbs lighter the next morning
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Everyone has such great advise - hope this can add to it. I have read (and can attest, for me)that 5-6 smaller meals a day is optimum. It keeps your metab. going all day. After about 3 hours your body starts to go into starvation mode. So you eat your breakfast, lunch and dinner (maybe a little smaller than norm) but through in some mini meals about 2-3 hours after breakfast and lunch. I eat a lot of hardboiled egg whites or these mini-quiche type things which are actually just egg white with a pinch of cheese. That is protein and then add a complex carbo. to that. The servings are fist size on both accounts. Cutting out white food - excellent! Trail mix has the good fat in it but you are correct - easy to over do (done it plenty of times). Good Luck!! It sounds like you are already doing and excellent job!!
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just about everything was covered, but i would add: immediately post workout (esp weights) it important to get 20-25g of protein and some carbs. agree with minimizing simple carbs, but this is one time you can sneak in some simple carbohydrates and your body will burn them rather than converting; this has to be within the first 15-30min after your workout though; after that your body will ease back into its normal state and simple carbs will be stored rather than burned.
Another tip that may be helpful is performing your early morning workouts on an empty stomach. Your body will head to the fat for fuel. This strategy has worked for me.
I agree on the 5-6 smaller meals - seems to keep metabolism going. Yes, it is a pain and sometimes difficult to remember & with work/family interruptions.
I try and eat 200 g protein a day, with lots of veges and fruits. I also snack on trail mix, almonds as they are protein and "good" fat. I am also a big fan of Muscle Milk (light) protein drink, it's a good snack and way to get extra protein. Stay away from bread (this is tough for me) since I've read it's just wasted calories w no nutritional value. I try and eat a lot of kidney and garbanzo beans for fiber as well.
I dropped from 195 to 170, body fat from 20+% to 12.5% (over 6 mos or so) and have maintained weight for last 6 mos.
As your body continues to adjust, it will become more like second nature.
Keep up the good work!!
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Why? Many people have asked me... to test my limits ... and to push beyond them.
Lot of great ideas on this thread - thanks all.
staring man - great comment. the early morning workouts definitely seem to work well.
MillMan - good call on protein, fruits and veggies. I've tried to lean more towards that over the last week or so and it seems to have gone well.
UPDATE: down 9 lbs. lowest weight I've been in at least 4 years. been on a low weight, high rep lifting cycle. also, got a copy of P90X and will probably give that a 30 day trial. cut out 90% of white breads, chips, etc. high protein, high veggies, fruit in the mornings.
got my new wetsuit in - XTERRA Vector Pro X2 - awesome suit. I'm going to use it for the first time next weekend in Vegas. Got the email newsletter from XTERRA, and it says "Nearly 40 of the best triathletes, mountain bikers, and adventure racers on the planet are headed to Henderson for a showdown..." Hopefully I'm not being counted in the 40. Ha ha. The Caveman will be there - I'm almost wondering if I should switch my goal from sub-5 hours to sub-twice Conrad's time. Also hoping to be in the 260s at race time.
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eat and drink water every 2 hours, 6-8 times a day. you'll split your daily requirements into those 'blocks'. what this does is get your body into a rhythm, so to speak. you want to eat just enough at each meal time so that you are just beginning to be hungry by the next. as your bodyfat/weight goes down you simply adjust the diet accordingly. getting your foods right and using this type of diet alone will help you lose weight - without even working out. throw in running, cycling, circuit weight training and you will drop weight with ease. when i was competing in bodybuilding shows i would go from 250+lbs to 200 in 2-3 months by simply altering my diet just like this. and of course my training and supplementation. and when it was time to compete again, i'd reverse it.
as for foods, a lot of people cut carbs out or go with a fad diet. it doesn't work. you won't need a triathlete diet either. you aren't training for a triathlon. nor are you training for a marathon or any other long distance endurance sport. you are kind of in the middle. to go with even half of the low end of the recommended carbs for a triathlete or runner would be too much. you should be in the 2-3g per lb of bodyweight range. so for a 280lb man you'd be shooting for 560-840 grams of carbs. since you are trying to lose weight you would generally go with the lower number or something in between. for protein you would want 1-1.5g per lb of bw. now since you are depleting your carbs and fat (haven't gotten there yet...) you will want the higher end of the protein range. this helps with muscle recovery. so at 280 you're looking at 420g a day. fats, you want them low. people will say you need to raise them with good fats like cashews or almonds, and flax seed, or whatever. that's your choice. but i prefer to let fat falls where fat falls. if you are eating right, you should not need to worry about it. i came into shows at 4% bodyfat weighing over 250lbs still eating carbs the day before the show while others starved for months and used drugs to shed fat. this works. again, as your weight drops so will these numbers. you'd want to check your weight once a week and eat by that weight for the next 7 days. but make sure you weigh yourself first thing in the morning!
as for what to eat, carbs should be whole grains - brown rice, pasta's (barilla whole grain pasta contains 7-9g of protein as well), breads, pita's, etc. at each meal eat a serving (1/2 cup) of vegetables (brocolli, green beans, salad, carrots, etc) or a piece of fruit. don't count the veggies or fruit towards your carb numbers. fibrous veggies don't fully digest. for protein you want lean meats (96/4 beeft or ny strip steak, etc), fish (tuna, salmon, tilapia, etc), chicken breast, lean turkey. for your condiments you want fat free stuff. that means no mayo, etc. use dijons and mustards instead. if you want to you can use whey protein shakes (i highly recommend optimum nutrition 100% whey) in between meals to save time if you're in a rush or it's just more convenient. and pick a day where you let loose a bit. don't go to a buffet and clear it out or anything, but allow yourself to enjoy maybe some pizza, or a fatty steak, or some (some lol!!!) sweets, whatever, for one meal. that keeps you sane and it can help move your metabolism along.
on your training, one thing i will say is for your pullups try doing them 2x a week with 2 days rest between those days at least. see how many you can do first, then do 3 sets of that number. for example, you can do 4 pullups. so do 4, rest long enough till you feel you can do 4 more. repeat. if you don't hit the 4 (or whatever number) that's fine, drop and rest. now after the 3rd set find an assisted pullup machine or grab a friend. do as many assisted pullups as you can with no rest. when you hit all 3 sets for the target number of reps, add 1 pullup on the next workout. so if it was 3x4 + assisted reps on say monday and you nailed 4 reps on each set, on say thursday you would shoot for 3x5 + assisted. outside of that try to lean back just slightly to pull in your biceps and rear delts a bit to help you out. also breathe out when you hit the top, breathe in as you go down, hold it in as you pull up, and repeat.
i train national level bodybuilders and just plain old regular people looking to get in shape or compete in various sports. this program has never failed anybody who sticks to it. hopefully you can pull something from it to help you with your goals.
UPDATE
Thanks again for all of the input. I've incorporated nearly one or more points from each post into my routine and it has helped.
We did an impromptu measurement on body fat % today - I wasn't thrilled about this as I thought I may be in the lead and I didn't want everyone to know by how much. Turns out, I was right.
My body fat has decreased 2.0%. My weight is coming in around 268, and has been in that general range telling me I've moved through my plateau of 273ish. I should be at or below 265 within a week or so, I suspect.
35 more pounds to go to my initial target. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd rate my eating at 7 and my workouts at 8. If I focus on improving further I may be able to drop another 2.0-3.0% percent within the next month, which would be excellent.
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Congrats to you orangedog!! I know it is tough but you are seeing progress - that is awesome! Keep up the good work!
"The pain of discipline is far less than the pain of regret" - Sarah Bombell
Keep motivated! Take a picture every 30 days so you can see the difference. You don't have to show anyone the pics unless you want to brag when it's all over.
Over the next month, really try to focus on achieving a 10 on your diet and maintain your 8 in erercise - you will SUCCEED!
Every morning wake up and tell yourself that you will succeed in your diet and exercise routine. You CAN be perfect for 4 weeks with discipline. 4 weeks is merely a blip compared to the life you have led untill today as well as a blip from here on out. Be happy with your accomplishments and mindful of your failures. Do not be too harsh on yourself for any setback but understand that it is your responsibility to achieve your goals.
Pain is the sensation of weakness leaving the body!
Keep motivated! Take a picture every 30 days so you can see the difference. You don't have to show anyone the pics unless you want to brag when it's all over.
I just returned from a trip and was looking at the photos, comparing them to a trip about 16 months ago - wow, what a difference. I really hadn't noticed but comparing those two pictures is like night and day. And I'm not even at my target weight yet.
Over the next month, really try to focus on achieving a 10 on your diet and maintain your 8 in erercise - you will SUCCEED!
I agree with your comment on diet - I still haven't improved there as much as I'd like although I would say I've marginally improved... 8 now. I've tried to replace steak with chicken and salmon more, cutting beef down to once a week or so. The grains is where I need to watch it. I've been doing a good job but now even eating small amounts white bread/pizza/pasta/tortilla makes me feel sluggish and bloated - no Pavlovian return, so to speak.
Quick update - a few of the guys have found this competition to be good motivation, so we have agreed to extend final weigh in to mid-August. Really, I think they want to try to catch up to me but it's not going to happen - 1. I'm more competitive and 2. I'm working harder at this.
In any event, I'm down to 261 and am hoping to break through 260 any day. It is a stretch but I'm going for 250 by the end of the competition.
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Thanks for the update, and way to go. At a time when so many people look for the easy way to loose weight, it's nice to see people doing it the right way. 20 pounds in 4 months is great.
Congrats. You're on your way..... Just hold to it and make sure you are truly making changes to your lifestyle. Those will last.
As a side note you said you were still haing a tough time with the grains/carbs. About 6 months ago we started doing a local CSA (community Supported Agriculture) program where we get a box of local organic produce every two weeks. Since then, because we have a constant stream of friuts and vegatables, I've found myself eating fruits and veggies far more consistantly, without having to think about going to the store to buy them.
Sasquatch - good point on the CSA. I've heard more about them lately, and they seem like a very viable option.
Quick update - down to 258. Not sure what the BF% is, though.
At 6'8", its starting to show a little bit and I need to get pretty much all of my work clothes altered or replaced. Fortunately, I ordered some fitted shirts a few months back and they're starting to work out.
22 lbs in 14 weeks is not bad - and all from working out and diet. Diet has improved slightly... maybe to an 8.5 now - but I still have a few moments of weakness... nothing wrong with letting loose but I think I still take it a bit too far (ie... a bowl of ice cream isn't too bad. a bowl of ice cream with 3 scoops two days in a row probably is).
Biggest area I've noticed an improvement in is the bike - stamina and speed are both up (new bike helps too, I'm sure). Run is slowly increasing in speed - dropped about 30 seconds/mile off of my 5 mile pace. Seems like the swim is a bit faster too.
Another 28lbs to go before i re-evaluate. And, about a month before the end of the competition.
Thanks again to all.
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That's great work. Sounds like quite reasonable loss, and you're thinking about it right. I've the ice cream issue at times. Tone it down a half scoop at a time - you probably won't miss the small amount and before you know it, you'll be eAting child's portions...
alright... another quick update.
We did another impromptu weigh in - with only two weeks to go. I was glad to see that I have retained the lead, although there is one guy still within striking distance.
"Official" starting body fat % was 28.9%... came in today at 24.6% for a loss of 4.3%. I'm hoping that with a final push I'll be able to clear the 5.0% mark and come in under 24%. Weight is down to 256, which will hopefully hit 253 by final weigh in.
Also, ran a 5k in just over 26 minutes (and felt I left a lot on the table), which is a big improvement over not being able to run a 5k to begin with.
I'll put up another post once the final results are in. Thanks again everyone.
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Excellent orangedog! You are doing a fantastic job!!
"The pain of discipline is far less than the pain of regret" - Sarah Bombell
Had another weigh in - not the final one though, which is now in September and is not changing again.
Anyways, the results are what I was after. 250lbs (down 30 since the comp start, 65 total) and 23.6% body fat, down 5.3% since the competition and around 10% since the start.
Staying on course all the way to 230!
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your steady, long-term approach is great and will ensure you keep the weight/fat off. I admire your patience and consistency. Awesome work
final competition-related update for this thread - we had our final weigh in tonight.
I hit 23.2% body fat. Not a huge improvement from 4 weeks ago, but then my diet hasn't been as good as it should've been over those 4 weeks, plus I had 2 weeks where work really picked up and I barely had any workouts. So, I'm not too surprised by the result, and am glad to see it is in the right direction, even if minimal or a rounding/water error.
In any event, that is a reduction in body fat of 5.7%, or an almost 20% change since April. This gave me a solid victory for the competition!
I'm still plugging along towards 230, and have recently looked into getting assistance from a nutritionist.
Lessons learned to this point:
1. Eat vegetables - as much as you want.
2. Fruit makes the best breakfast component and morning snack.
3. Lean meat is the best option next to vegetables - salmon, chicken, eggs. Sadly, steak is good, but needs to be limited to once per week (maybe twice).
4. Starchy carbs (any bread, potatoes, etc.) should be kept to a minimum. There are a lot of carbs in vegetables that can be augmented by the occasional piece of wheat bread.
5. Triathlon training provides the benefit of multiple types of aerobic workouts. It is much easier, and I suspect better for the body, to vary the workout schedule.
6. Strength training twice per week provides multiple benefits and should be incorporated into a weekly schedule.
7. Having one or two "target" races aids in focus when times get bleak. A near term and further out race help keep the focus.
8. While I'm not happy about it, results are maximized when alcohol is removed or kept at an extreme minimum.
9. Trail mix in moderation.
10. If need be, salmon with a scoop of ice cream makes an acceptable dinner.
Hope this thread is helpful to others. I may ping it on occasion as I make further progress.
Thanks everyone!
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In any event, that is a reduction in body fat of 5.7%, or an almost 20% change since April. This gave me a solid victory for the competition!
Awesome! :)
Lessons learned to this point:
1. Eat vegetables - as much as you want.
2. Fruit makes the best breakfast component and morning snack.
I'm counting calories these days, and this is the first thing you find out... you can help satisfy your hunger snacking on celery or cucumber and it's next-to-zero calories.
Other foods I found are great:
- Low fat yoghurt - 1/2 cup for 50 calories
- Strawberries - they taste sweet so you feel like they're high in calories, but a small bowl will have like 50.
- Apple, peach, nectarine, orange - all around 50 calories
8. While I'm not happy about it, results are maximized when alcohol is removed or kept at an extreme minimum.
Au contraire, you can drink quite a lot if you just skip supper! ;)
(Joking of course)
jono
Lessons learned to this point:
1. Eat vegetables - as much as you want.
2. Fruit makes the best breakfast component and morning snack.
3. Lean meat is the best option next to vegetables - salmon, chicken, eggs. Sadly, steak is good, but needs to be limited to once per week (maybe twice).
4. Starchy carbs (any bread, potatoes, etc.) should be kept to a minimum. There are a lot of carbs in vegetables that can be augmented by the occasional piece of wheat bread.
5. Triathlon training provides the benefit of multiple types of aerobic workouts. It is much easier, and I suspect better for the body, to vary the workout schedule.
6. Strength training twice per week provides multiple benefits and should be incorporated into a weekly schedule.
7. Having one or two "target" races aids in focus when times get bleak. A near term and further out race help keep the focus.
8. While I'm not happy about it, results are maximized when alcohol is removed or kept at an extreme minimum.
9. Trail mix in moderation.
10. If need be, salmon with a scoop of ice cream makes an acceptable dinner.Hope this thread is helpful to others. I may ping it on occasion as I make further progress.
Thanks everyone!
Congrats on the loss and lessons. You have gotten it spot on IMO. I would say that the above lessons should be immortalized for everyone. They are a perfect simple REAL explanation of how to change your lifestyle and as a result lose weight and become far more healthy.
orangedog wrote:8. While I'm not happy about it, results are maximized when alcohol is removed or kept at an extreme minimum.Au contraire, you can drink quite a lot if you just skip supper! ;)
(Joking of course)
jono
you can swap a beer for your carbs at dinner...ie just don't have the potato too and of course this isn't a sustainable practice...just a once in a while thing

























I'm on a push to drop body fat by June 25th, and would appreciate any TriFueler's tips.
Background:
Weight: 280lbs
Height: 6'8"
Body Fat: 25%
Age: <30
The testing method used is the caliper test.
Here's the plan:
Drink water (I have been doing about 3-4L/day plus 1L/day of caffeine free tea)
Run 3x per week (I have been doing this for a few weeks now, 3-5mi at a time)
Bike 2x per week (I have been doing 1-2x for a few weeks now)
Swim 1x per week (I have been doing this maybe every other week)
Interval Training (I've been doing elevation intervals, but not speed ie fartleks. Will start with speed now.)
Nutrition (I've been going at about 2,700 - 3,200 Calories/day - could cut this back a bit)
Eat a gel while working out (read online it helps burn more calories)
Get a workout in before breakfast (burn what's in your liver, breakfast becomes recovery)
Looking at the plan above, I see three key areas for me that will be new or an improvement:
1. Start interval training
2. Eat better - not just Calorie intake but quality - more fruits/veggies/clif bars/wheat/meat/gels
3. Swim longer - I need to do at least 1,500 - 2,000m per swim, at least 1x per week
Any other tips? I've heard good things about P90X. I think I would have the time to commit but I'm not positive.
Also, for those of you who may be curious, this is part of a competition. The competition is set up as:
1. % change in Body Fat % (50% of score)
2. Max Distance on Stationary Bike for 45 minutes (10% of score)
3. Fastest Sprint Time (10% of score)
4. Most Pull Ups without letting go of the bar (10% of score)
5. Fastest Distance Run (10% of score)
6. Leg Press - most weight in 1 rep (10% of score)
Max score wins.
I've got a great chance of winning #6, and because of my high starting body fat %, maybe #1. I've also got a chance to come in 2nd or 3rd in #2. As for #3, #4, and #5, I'm in trouble. If I can stay in 3rd or 4th position I'll be lucky (out of 5 people).
In a perfect world, I'd like to think its possible to drop >5% by June 25th. This may be a bit much, though, even though it would only be about 14lbs in 65 days (roughly 1lb every 5 days, or a burn of 700 Calories per day). I've already dropped a decent amount too, considering I was weighing in at about 315lbs a year ago.
Thoughts?
(btw, I feel like I'm in ok health, but will be seeing a doctor, a trainer, and hopefully a nutrionist for initial consultations... with all the talk of triathletes dying and whatnot...)
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