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thinking about getting a dog this year since my son is old enough to learn how to treat/handle one...maybe actually get the dog closer to May or June...but doing research starting now

we want an active dog and expect to include her in all our activities

thinking about an Aussie first
on the back burner...german short hair & lab

what are your experiences?
pics are always welcome too!

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brittda posted 44 weeks ago.

I don't have an Aussie, but from what I have read while researching for my dogs (got beagles in the end) they are great dogs, BUT very much in need of
1. exercise
2. training to give them a feeling of "purpose" (why you see a lot of them doing agility competition).

You have the exercise part down :) You need to be prepared to give him/her a lot of attention as they bore easily.

Think Triguy has one he would be the expert.

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pcolatri posted 44 weeks ago.

We have an Australian shepherd, great dog, likes all the kids and being outside.
She does like to exercise and when she was young a ten mile run was no problem.
She is eight now and the four mile tempos still suite her!!
Honestley I do not think we give her more attention than a normal dog but she definately wouldn't be the best pet for a elderly person.
If you have anymore questions I'll be happy to answer.

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trainDaBrain posted 44 weeks ago.

Great dogs. I grew up with one. but they need a 'job' to do. They will herd just about anything...

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triath02 posted 44 weeks ago.

We just picked up a yellow lab/golden retriver mix puppy this week from the pound. So far, he seems pretty smart and has been taking to house training very well. Two families at our church are training guide dogs through Southeastern Guide Dogs right now and this is the breed that they are training.

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kylie posted 44 weeks ago.

My best running buddy and one of best friends is my 2 yr old lab/german shepherd/ridgeback/whoknowswhat mix from a rescue. She is such a sweetheart... and she can do 12 miles sub7:30 pace! And then wants to play :) So not the Australian Shepherd option, but I highly recommend checking out shelters and rescues in your area as part of your process! Once we met Gracie we knew :)


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tri-ac posted 44 weeks ago.

we've been reading up on the breed and have heard the herding or job thing. we're not clear on what the "job" may be; tho my wife is intrigued with the idea of agility training. she and I are certainly on a solid pattern of exercise so the dog won't be fat...maybe frisbee dog? We already herd the boy so that job is taken...althooooough, maybe we can teach her to get him safely to school or soccer practice? :)

we've seen a bunch of aussies locally, and thought they were pretty awesome.

shelter dogs aren't out of the question...that's a good thought! our last dog was a lab mutt, and she was great! the only thing is, the mutt idea is pretty hit or miss for active lifestyle. it looks like gracie was a hit. :)

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kylie posted 44 weeks ago.

We went with a rescue where the dogs were living with host families, as the rescue doesn't have it's own building for housing animals. So we could get a feeling for her from talking to her host family.

I feel that with dog personalities and breeds you have to hope the dog likes exercise anyways... there are just breeds more likely to go for it - and you could probably find mixes with that in 'em at a shelter. Or go with an australian shepherd rescue... I think that's what triguy98 did for his two (if I have their breed right). Then you get the breed you are thinking of and save a life :)

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jnrice posted 44 weeks ago.

Don't have an ausi but have found the best running buddy ever! It's a Blue healer/husky/coyote mix. this dog is a lover, smart, loves the snow and chasing snow balls, and is FAST! In other words, rescue dogs are the best. I like the australians too, but there is something about a mutt that is awesome.

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tri-ac posted 44 weeks ago.

i've seen a couple of aussie rescue entities in the NW...i'll check it out!

coyote mix, huh? sounds like an energetic beast!

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lala2021 posted 44 weeks ago.

Boarder collies would make a great running partner! I had a German shorthair for 15 yrs she blew her knee (cruciate)@ age 9 and couldnt run after that:( If yu really want a dog that can run and i mean long distance and keep up aussie or boarder collie or that combo would be great!Good luck!

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brittda posted 44 weeks ago.

tri-ac wrote:
i've seen a couple of aussie rescue entities in the NW...i'll check it out!

coyote mix, huh? sounds like an energetic beast!

I was just going to suggest a rescue group. I got one of my beagles from the beagle rescue up here. He was one of those airport sniffer dogs in another life, now retired. Great way to get the breed you want and help save a pooch.

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cayman posted 44 weeks ago.

We have a 7 yr old male, black, tan & white, brought him home as a little fluff ball at 8 weeks.

Aussies are very intelligent, sometimes too smart. I'd recommend starting early with obedience training, check with some local classes for age groups and when to start. They can have a tendency to want to rule the roost (house) so they need to understand their position in the household early on.

Don't get me wrong, they're sweethearts and are fantastic with kids and family, ours thinks he's one of the boys. Smokey loves frisbee still, although now he has a tendency to go 3 or 4 times and then lie down. The breed is VERY active and needs a lot of exercise, chores and routines to keep them occupied: he knows one of his duties is to come out with me in the morning to get the paper and have a sniff around. We still go running 3-4 times a week. And yes, they do herd the boys when they all get into a game of soccer or are just out running around.

A few more attributes: they're playful, loving, loyal, protective and never really seem to grow up, kinda like me. (: Contrary to what you may read, they do shed and quite a bit in the spring. Good and consistent grooming helps to keep it under control.

I can highly recommend aussies. I'll see if I can dig up some pictures.

Good luck in your decision.

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cayman posted 44 weeks ago.

Aussie rescues are a great resource. Unfortunately, some bring home aussies and discover they are too much to handle or not right for their households. Some googling will help you find listings for rescues and shelters. These aussies may be a little older, but like I said, they never really grow up.

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tri-ac posted 44 weeks ago.

it's good to hear "family dog" pop up in the responses...that's reassuring

because of my son, we are hoping to get a puppy, so they can "grow up together", but our driving criteria are 1) healthy, 2) girl dog, and 3) good temperament...so if we get those, we'll be happy

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Ironmom posted 44 weeks ago.

I grew up with Aussies, they are great dogs but you really really have to keep them physically and especially mentally busy. If left to their own devices for too long they can get very mischievous. They can be terrific with kids, but sometimes an Aussie will try to herd kids by nipping them. I've known folks who had to get rid of their Aussies because of this.

The best, absolute greatest dog on earth was our dog Sabre, who was half Aussie and half Lab. He was just the most wonderful dog. I totally believe that mutts are the way to go, rescued if possible. The mutt we had as a kid was a terrific dog. Then came a series of Aussies that were okay, but high strung in various ways. Then Sabre was my dog I raised from puppyhood to 14 years old, another mutt and a terrific dog. Great with the kids too.

If you really want to choke up, you can watch his memorial slideshow. He was such a beloved dog by so many of our friends, and Wayne used to take him to work with him all the time, so he was known around the airport too. Everyone loved him.

Edited to add: he was a great running partner. He'd go 5 miles with me when I got home from work, then turn right around and go 5 miles with Wayne when he got home!

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jrs961 posted 44 weeks ago.

I want to echo others with recommending rescues... We volunteer for the English Springer Rescue, and there are a lot of benefits of going that route. They still have puppies available if that is what you are interested in, but regardless of the dog's age, you get to adopt a dog that has already lived with a family. They can tell you about that dog's behavioral traits and assess the dog's qualities and quirks.

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J.Michael posted 44 weeks ago.

I had one about 10yrs ago. As people have said, they require a lot of exercise and mental stimulation. Molly Brown would go after a ball as long as I could throw it. She loved playing frisbee. She loved eating the frisbee too. (Personally I think she just liked tricking me into chasing her around the yard.)

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IthinkIcan posted 44 weeks ago.

Great breed, but I feel like someone needs to explain the consequences of not keeping a dog like an Aussie active physically and mentally. Active and intelligent dog breeds that aren't kept busy will often become destructive and mischievous. This could be chewing on stuff that isn't theirs or getting into things that they shouldn't. Chewed shoes, couches tables, trash... you name it. Not to say this is the case for all, but it does happen. Getting regular exercise and playtime will be a huge help in preventing that as will obedience classes. They also sell puzzle toys that you put food in and the dog has to figure out how to get the food out. Great options to help you keep your new friend happy. If you've got the time and energy I wouldn't hesitate to get an Aussie.

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TonisTri posted 44 weeks ago.

kylie wrote:
My best running buddy and one of best friends is my 2 yr old lab/german shepherd/ridgeback/whoknowswhat mix from a rescue. She is such a sweetheart... and she can do 12 miles sub7:30 pace! And then wants to play :) So not the Australian Shepherd option, but I highly recommend checking out shelters and rescues in your area as part of your process! Once we met Gracie we knew :)


And she has her own photo album on my site if you want more pics!

Kylie, she is beautiful. Makes me want to get a dog! We are about a year away from being ready to add a dog to our family, but I will go to a shelter when we are. My childhood dog was a crazy mix from a shelter...best dog in the world : )

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jbinkc posted 44 weeks ago.

I have a border collie that we got from the shelter as a 1 year old. She is so awesome. Being a rescue she is extra loving, and super loyal. Like every one else said about the herders, exercise is a must. After runs, we usually do about 15 minutes of "training", basically her doing stuff for treats, and then periodically ask her to do things during the day. WE take her to work so she has to answer the door and great clients---the most important job! Any herder is so smart that they are easy to teach what not to do as well as fun tricks to. Carly doesn't jump or bark, she sits next to people and nudges them into our shop.

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SueR posted 44 weeks ago.

Okay speaking from my partner, a vet, here's her .02 cents.

Aussies are a lot of dog for your first dog and really require a purpose and a job (already mentioned I think). They often require as much mental as physical stimulation, like flyball or agility or herding. Without that they may drive you crazy. Check out http://www.k9station.com/dont_buy.htm. This article was actually written by Lisa Giroux of Aux Arcs Australian Shepherds.

Her thoughts about pointers are the English Pointer - gentler temperament, very athletic, highly trainable. http://www.englishpointer.co.uk/the_pointer1.htm

Labs can be tricky, if you get a field line you have a good training buddy and active companion, but show labs are slower and heavier and often not a good training partner.

Hope it helps!

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SueR posted 44 weeks ago.

Here are a few pics of my running buddy, Chewie. He is a 6 yr old Shiloh Shepherd. Excellent temperament and always willing to go when I am, yet he's not demanding. He's also an awesome swimmer and will retrieve a ball from his Chuck It all day long. Not all of his breed are as athletic, though. Our two year old is a couch potato.

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kylie posted 44 weeks ago.

The snowy run pictures reminded me of another thing... be aware of the weather where you live. Gracie loves the runs on cooler days and early mornings, but it definitely gets hot for her here in the summer.

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gfd posted 44 weeks ago.

I almost bought a GSP. It was from the breeder at the link below. Neat site to see tons of pictures. There are no two GSP's that look exactly the same.

http://www.gsphouse.com/index.html

I ended up going with a Vizsla. Part of the pointer family. 8 months old and a great friend and running partner already.

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tri-ac posted 43 weeks ago.

so let me get this straight....aussies need some exercise and focus? is that what you guys are saying? don't beat around the bush... :)

I guess I should allay some fears...
No, we don't have cattle or sheep or ducks, but we are prepared and excited to keep the dog entertained and busy, and, more importantly, she would be with us all the time. My wife's business is done out of the house, and I hope to quit my job and join her this year. As for our history with dogs, our last dog was very involved in all we did. She was a studio dog, meaning she came with us to studio in grad school (architecture) and slept under our desks. And, later, she came with us to work. We taught her all sorts of stuff from carrying grocery bags to carrying her leash, to high fives and whispers and sitting up on two hind legs, and, of course, who can forget: DIG,DIG,DIG!!!!!. When we were in NYC, she carried a filled Williams Sonoma bag across Central Park for us. And she loved to carry softball mitts and cheer at the games. Her best trick was Manners/Bon Apetit (don't eat the treat on "Manners"; eat the treat on "Bon Apetit!"). We took her camping and on hikes. She got significant running time morning and night and got to play with her dog friends.

SueR, those english pointers are beautiful: tall & lithe...i bet they can run forever. I'm jealous of where you live (OK, not totally, but I do like the snow) Chewie looks like a good dog for Newfoundland. No Newfie for you?

i like the all-black gsp's...they look awesome!

our lab mix was gunshy so she was a mess at july 4th or thunderstorms...i always think if we get another hunting breed: it'd be nice if they were ok for loud sounds...if not, it's not the end of the world, though.

everyone's comments are much appreciated, thanks! :)

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Triguy98 posted 43 weeks ago.

I have two Border Collies. Very similar to Aussies, a little more slender, with a tail. Smarter, too ;)

In all seriousness, the herding dogs are fantastic as a group. Very loving, giving, intelligent dogs. I do not think you can go wrong with a herder if you have the time and energy. A few points:
1) Make sure you have the time. Training isnt a one-and-done deal. You do it ALL the time. Some dogs are fine once they get the basic commands. The Aussies and Border Collies simply NEED more.
2) They make solid running partners- BUT they also need dog park off leash time. A herder can go all day- in spurts. If you are easy with the break in period and on top of health care, they may last for years and go for 2 hour plus runs. But not always. My girl is permanently parked with a rear leg tendon issue. She is nine now.
3) They are a special needs dog. They are not simply lap dogs. It can be a big time cliche, but they will be part of your family. The smarter herders have the intelligence of a five year old kid. Yes, they are THAT smart. Even my "dumb" boy will blow your mind with what he can figure out. You can see the gears turning in his head. That sort of intelligence lends itself to a more advanced attachment than you may get with other breeds. They arent your dog, theyre your kid.
4) Go see "Marley and Me" if you havent already. Do this before getting a dog. If you dont see yourself being able to handle the situations that come up in a movie, a herder or energetic dog might not be for you.
5) Rescues are godsends. Both of mine are rescues and I will never, ever get a none rescue dog. You can find some that have pups, but often they will want a more experienced family to take them home. just so they dont see the dog that was already a rescue back in the system. There are too many outstanding young and old dogs alike out there that need homes to pay a breeder big time money.

Good luck and think long and hard. Its a huge commitment. But sooo worth it. I LOVE my dogs.

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Triguy98 posted 43 weeks ago.

tri-ac wrote:

our lab mix was gunshy so she was a mess at july 4th or thunderstorms...i always think if we get another hunting breed: it'd be nice if they were ok for loud sounds...if not, it's not the end of the world, though.

It's actually a big thing with many breeds or herders, too. My girl is terrified of thunderstorms- the shaking and hiding, she stresses out big time. Our boy is deaf, so no problems there.

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Triguy98 posted 43 weeks ago.

Our girl, Skye on the left, the boy, Repeat on the right.

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kylie posted 43 weeks ago.

Charles you should show pics of the puppy room to show how spoiled those two adorable pups are ;)

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Triguy98 posted 43 weeks ago.

kylie wrote:
Charles you should show pics of the puppy room to show how spoiled those two adorable pups are ;)

Well, since you begged so much :D



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SueR posted 43 weeks ago.

Ohmygod! We are so jealous of the puppy room!! Skye and Repeat can come visit the newfie gang anytime!
We don't have a newf because of the drool and coat maintenance and because they can't run the length of themselves! I have great training partners in these guys as we have four dogs, so I can even rotate them! We find the shilohs a bit easier to keep their coats looking good. Kylie had a big point about cold. The shilohs go in pretty well any weather (they have booties for bad days) except for too much heat. My doberman is my warm weather buddy as she has a whole lot less coat. She's also my speedwork pal! That being said, she is the primary training partner for my partner, who is just starting out with walk/runs and tri training. She is our "special needs" girl as she is busy and we need to be always on the ball with her. She is also a competitive Schutzhund dog. Herding dogs do sometimes get noise shy (chewie hates fireworks and whistles), but that can be coped with.
Triac, sounds like you could handle an Aussie to us! Good luck! K9 station (site in my first post) may be able to direct you to rescues as well.

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cayman posted 43 weeks ago.

Great puppy room Triguy and 2 gorgeous BCs. I have a friend who also has 2 BCs. Iif you have the room, a pair sometimes makes it easier, each has a constant companion and an endless resource for exercise.

If you have a chance, tri-ac, read the book, A Dog Year, Twelve Months Four Dogs, and Me by Jon Katz, your local library may have a copy. A good resource for learning more about raising herders and rescues. The dogs are border collies, but aussies share many of the same traits.

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tri-ac posted 43 weeks ago.

triguy, those are some cute and lucky dogs!

SueR - "they can't run the length of themselves!" LOL

john, they had it at the library so it's on hold for me. i look forward to reading it

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mitchcraft88 posted 43 weeks ago.

hey, i saw your post about rabdo, 3 years ago. have you found out anything? ive had rabdo at least 3 times in the past years, those are just the times i went to the hospital, i think ive had it more than that. all of those times were from very limited exercise, a few pushups and sit-ups. any way id love to hear what you found out because everyone ive seen is stumped.

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tri-ac posted 43 weeks ago.

mitchcraft88, i sent you a pm

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diva_mom posted 42 weeks ago.

i'm late, i know, i got lost - i'm on my second aussie. and i have friend with 5 of them.

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tri-ac posted 42 weeks ago.

diva_mom wrote:
i'm late, i know, i got lost - i'm on my second aussie. and i have friend with 5 of them.

5? are they all in the house?!?

followup question: we've been talking to breeders and two of them have told us that Aussie males are usually less protective/aggressive than females. We'd always thought females had a more subdued personality (and less obsessive marking of territory during runs) generically across breeds. Any thoughts?

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diva_mom posted 42 weeks ago.

jt - also known as 'double stuffed'

know too that they have been genetically divided with some bred more for show and classic conformation, and some bred for working - smaller, leaner, but also much more energetic and work oriented than their show counterparts. I've had one of each. JT is bred for show and is less a work-aholic than some others. Look carefully and be patient, you'll find the right dog for you.

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diva_mom posted 42 weeks ago.

5 of them - but no, not in the house, on his ranch. they are fabulous, all with different personalities, and some that are hard working (literally) and others that just kinda hang out. one that's 10 months old and a phenomenal hunter (mice, frogs, muskrats).

i've had two males. JT was supposed to be a girl dog but I wanted the most socially outgoing of the litter, and it turned out to be him. Socialization is a big deal with aussie pups, and if you aren't a diligent, consistent pack leader, they can be shy or aggressive (breeding is part of this too). JT is 3, and still a work in progress. He's never been destructive, even in the puppy phase, but he is shy, and overly protective of me around strangers. My five year old daughter climbs all over him, and dresses him and he follows her commands well. Easily-trained to do all kinds of things, runs miles with me, and is always by my side or under foot ....any thing else???

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gfd posted 42 weeks ago.

diva-mom, JT is a beauty.

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Ironmom posted 42 weeks ago.

Divamom, JT is just gorgeous! What a cutie.

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diva_mom posted 42 weeks ago.

thanks. we love him lots.

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tri-ac posted 42 weeks ago.

what a cutie!

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Nikkibc posted 42 weeks ago.

Here's my girl, Kiera. We got her from the pound where she was labeled a 'border collie sheltie x'...who knows what she really is. Ultimate fetching machine she is though, or used to be when she was younger anyways. If yours turns out to be a fetcher defiantly find a "chuck-it". Basically a plastic stick that picks up a tennis ball (so you dont touch the slobber) and lets you throw it across a field easily. Great dog though...she's my baby.
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Besides tennis balls...she also "fetches" snowballs...repeatedly.
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The Dude posted 42 weeks ago.

For all you dog lovers out there, I just read the fantastic book "Merle's Door" by Ted Kerasote. He talks about the relationship he had with a dog that he found on a rafting trip that became his constant companion during outdoor activities. He also does an excellent job of integrating the latest research into dog/wolf/animal behavior into the story. The book was a very fun and interesting read and it also caused me to take a different look at our relationship with our two dogs (both labs, one older and one younger).

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tri-ac posted 42 weeks ago.

i reserved it from the library
thanks for the recommendation!

btw, A Dog Year, Twelve Months Four Dogs, and Me by Jon Katz recommended above by cayman was a good read (quick too)

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beads1985 posted 42 weeks ago.

Now that we have a house the kids have been asking all the time
"when are we going to get another dog"

It looks like Christmas 2009, and we are going to a local rescue shelter
St. Huberts Giralda in Madison NJ.

We are looking to get a mutt that like to be active and could be a running partner.
I like the size of aussies some maybe something that size.

I just have to be careful that I don't bring 10 rescue dogs home ;-)

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diva_mom posted 42 weeks ago.

tri-ac, check out Katz's A Good Dog, the story of Orson. I seriously cried the entire time, because I had that dog too, and ultimately had to put him down after a serious bite (90+ stitches in my face). btw, this not my other aussie, but a rescued BC.
Katz tells his stories well, and after reading a few, you'll know if a sheep dog is for you.

nikkibc, that's a cutie too

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tri-ac posted 42 weeks ago.

will do...thanks!

90 stitches, holy crap! is that a story you care to share?

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diva_mom posted 42 weeks ago.

it's along story from start to finish, but to do Sego (the dog) justice, that's the only way to tell it. pm me your email addy.

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