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started by TryScott on December 14, 2008

I was browsing the Trifuel article from EN that say how we're supposed to train fast in the off season, then far when the season rolls in. Obviously this goes against most plans (as they will admit). It got me thinking, with all the plans out there, how in the world do people pick one?

1 Find a coach that you trust and follow their advice.
2 Find a coach/plan that convinces you is best (best advertising).
3 Research enough exercise physiology to get a PHD, and make your own plan.
4 Roll the dice on the first one that catches your eye.
5 Discard all the result orientated plans and train at what you enjoy.
6 Do what you think most others are doing.
7 Accept that everyone is different, and the best plan for you hasn't been invented.

I guess I fall closest to number 5. 60+ mile bike rides don't fit my weekend schedule well, and I don't enjoy doing repeats on a track. Even though I think both would help me, I spend a lot of days running along at zone 2/3, just like I did the day before, and the day before that.

My guess is that most people think the last plan they used is the best one they've every had. Wouldn't it make sense that they are getting better results because they have been doing it longer?

I know there's books out there, but should finding a plan be left up to your average AG triathlete? I think I'm convincing myself that I need a coach. If anyone has a full proof way to pick a plan that gets you the best results, I'd love to hear it.

I wonder if the people that want to bench press 300 lbs have this problem. I would guess that you work your upper body until absolute exhaustion 3 times a week, eat plenty of protein, and that's it. The only question is how many reps and sets you do.

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kylie posted 48 weeks ago.

I go with #1, but also with having a decent understanding of the WHY behind it. I have tried other coaches/plans because you have to find the one that works well with you (there is definitely a personal factor to it).

And yes, I believe up to a point you will get better just because you are still doing. But at a certain point you need more to your training to improve or you will plateau.

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Toothless posted 48 weeks ago.

I'm having the same problem. I have access to some good "traditional" training advice for my first IM through friends who have been in the sport for a long time (here in Boulder). Long, slow distance and the like. But then you have coaches like EN and Ironguides pushing their better stuff for the time-constrained working athlete. Or so they say - I haven't tried either.

I like Chuckie V's blog as well as Alan Couzens, and they both support a mix of long stuff on the weekends and more intensity during the week. The key is to find a plan that pushes you just the right amount and works on your individual weaknesses. One size does not fit all in IM plans. With that being said, check out Chuckie's blog from last week with a free off-season plan for IM. It has a good mix of hard stuff and long stuff.

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Jetskr posted 48 weeks ago.

TryScott,

Great post!! I'm going through this right now. Having signed up for my first IM I figured it might be time to get a coach but am a little overwhelmed by the options. Of course everyone says they are the best but how do you discern what is really the best for your goals, race, and time constraints.

Hopefully some of the regulars can post with some insight on coach selection.

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Triguy98 posted 48 weeks ago.

There is no one size fits all training plan. The different race distances, individual athletes abilities, and schedules all play into consideration. If you are unsure on how to design your own plan, get a coach who will draw up a non generic plan for you. There are many "coaching servies" out there that just regurgitate everything you can get on your own for literature.

A note on these "fast then long" plans- they are great for people stuck indoors when training for HIM and IMs. Its very difficult to get the needed LSD hours done indoors during bad weather. A shorter distance athelete shouldnt have to worry about that, nor should one living in mild climates.

So get educated, even if you plan on going with a coach, every semi to real serious triathlete should read Friel's Training Bible and a host of other books. Then explore your options and use your newfound knowledge to help you select a coach that will work best for you.

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TriSooner posted 48 weeks ago.

When I first started, I went with #4 (Roll the dice on the first one that catches your eye.). Then after a few races, went with a modified #5 (Discard all the result-orientated plans and train at what you enjoy needs improvement.) Now I go with the (unlisted) #8, which is a personal experience-based plan: Start with a freeby-plan and modify it heavily based on what areas I need/want to work on.

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jsk85 posted 48 weeks ago.

TriSooner wrote:
When I first started, I went with #4 (Roll the dice on the first one that catches your eye.). Then after a few races, went with a modified #5 (Discard all the result-orientated plans and train at what you enjoy needs improvement.) Now I go with the (unlisted) #8, which is a personal experience-based plan: Start with a freeby-plan and modify it heavily based on what areas I need/want to work on.

I followed this general progression as well. For the past season and a half I have laid out the general framework and weekly goal hours (ie Friel style)...then I find a plan for the distance of my A races and use it to pull some specific workouts I wouldn't have thought of. But mostly, I use the framework to establish amt of hours needed in a week and general focus for that week, then either Sunday night or monday morning I plan out my workouts for the week depending on my life/work/etc schedule. It's pretty intricate self-coaching, but I can't justify paying for a coach right now and I have been seeing very significant improvement using this method so far (I'll call it the week-to-week method).

So, until I plateau, or come into some money...it works

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Triguy98 posted 48 weeks ago.

TryScott wrote:

I wonder if the people that want to bench press 300 lbs have this problem. I would guess that you work your upper body until absolute exhaustion 3 times a week, eat plenty of protein, and that's it. The only question is how many reps and sets you do.

You better believe they have the same issues we do. "The only question" of reps and sets is basically the same as what sport for how long and when. There is many ways to skin a chicken in any sport. Seeing how thick those bodybuilder magazines are, there are many, MANY ways to get pumped.

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azmojo804 posted 48 weeks ago.

TriSooner wrote:
When I first started, I went with #4 (Roll the dice on the first one that catches your eye.). Then after a few races, went with a modified #5 (Discard all the result-orientated plans and train at what you enjoy needs improvement.) Now I go with the (unlisted) #8, which is a personal experience-based plan: Start with a freeby-plan and modify it heavily based on what areas I need/want to work on.

I did/do the same. I think this is important when doing "self coaching." If you just stick with the same old plan, you'll get in a rut. Modify it to what is/isn't working and don't stay stagnant. I haven't used the same training plan twice yet. Not that I haven't liked any plans, just that I have different things that I'll focus on for each race, ie. better biking, faster run, etc.
I will also try new things in the training, such as something I'd read on a training site, some new type of Interval training (HIT) or some new strength training move. If I like it, I'll keep it in the list of things to do, if not, won't use it again.

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Tamara posted 48 weeks ago.

+1 to Kylie...sorta. If you move from just doing workouts to a structured plan, you're bound to get better regardless of which coach/plan you choose. But in the long run, I do think you need to find a coach whose philosophy and approach to coaching meshes with your needs. Whether it's "far then fast" or a more traditional winter base training approach to me isn't the first question you should be asking. I personally believe that you need to think about what you want out of that coaching relationship and let that narrow down your search for a coach or training plan.

Are you happy with the structure of an off-the-shelf plan without any additional coaching? If so, there's a lot of great plans out there. If you want some contact with a live human being, then in what form? One-on-one personalized programs, or group formats the way something like EN or a tri club might offer? Some coaches prefer to only work with local athletes, believing that coaching must involve seeing the athlete, knowing them and working with them in person. Is that important to you?

What are your distance goals, and what does a particular coach focus on? What I mean is, most coaches will coach you at any distance. But if you are a beginner or a mid-pack athlete, you probably don't want to pay big money to a coach whose real interest is in coaching fast iron-distance athletes training with power and all the latest gear. Can you get a sense of who a coach's target audience is?

Clearly I spend a lot of time thinking about this, but to me if you can answer these types of questions for yourself, it will considerably narrow down the list of options in terms of what type of training or coaching you are seeking. Personally, I constantly revisit these questions in terms of whether I'm maximizing the return on my investment from year to year. As a result, I've personally decided to change coaches in the coming year. The coach I've worked with is/was great, but my goals and his business model have diverged and it's not meeting my needs/expectations.

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Ironmom posted 48 weeks ago.

I'm a #5 kind of gal with occasional forays into TriSooner's #8. In general, I look at the sport of triathlon as a long-haul kind of thing. I've seen a lot of people come into the sport and burn out in just a few seasons, I really want to enjoy it for at least another couple of decades. I find that if I enjoy what I'm doing, I have a better season, both in terms of fun and also in terms of results. So if I feel like biking, I bike. When I want to swim, I swim. And if I feel like doing neither, I go do something else.

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Anton posted 48 weeks ago.

+1 to Sooner.
I picked a plan for my first IM 6 years ago. I've tweeked it here and there and found some things that worked better and some things I'll NEVER do again.
All this is a self discovery kind of thing for me. Coaching never tripped my trigger and I came into this sport with really good self knowledge of what was possible for me.
++1 (You know...there is something Orwellian about that.) To Ironmom. I get into stuff for the long haul and know many "used to be" folks who have been burned out and injured and dropped from view.
Most of them were coached.
There is no fool proof way to pick a plan...and here is the kicker... there is no fool proof plan.
You won't know till it's all over, if it was right for you or not.

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brittda posted 48 weeks ago.

Anton wrote:
+1 to Sooner.
I picked a plan for my first IM 6 years ago. I've tweeked it here and there and found some things that worked better and some things I'll NEVER do again.
All this is a self discovery kind of thing for me. Coaching never tripped my trigger and I came into this sport with really good self knowledge of what was possible for me.
++1 (You know...there is something Orwellian about that.) To Ironmom. I get into stuff for the long haul and know many "used to be" folks who have been burned out and injured and dropped from view.
Most of them were coached.
There is no fool proof way to pick a plan...and here is the kicker... there is no fool proof plan.
You won't know till it's all over, if it was right for you or not.

Hey Anton, are you going to Disney this year? We are getting in Thursday and heading home the following Wednesday.

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Dunger posted 48 weeks ago.

Coaching and training plans are such an individual thing. But when you are starting out on this journey - you need a real helping hand to get started. A basic plan is a good place to start. There are plenty of good freebies out there on web sites and in books etc.

I have immersed my self in every book, article, web site etc that I could for the last 5 years on triathlon, nutrition, goal setting, running, cycling, swimming etc etc. There is so much stuff out there and so much is contradictory. So much is aimed at pros or at least the top age groupers who have lots of time to train. I have learnt so much from all my own research and have used bits and pieces of it in my own training (3 x HIMs, 1 x IM)

The EN approach makes so much sense to me and it is backed up by science and facts, along with a string of results for ordinary avg people like me and most of you... I have not as yet paid for any plans or coaching - but the philosophy and approach of the EN guys and all the free stuff they publish has really opened my mind and made me question the so called experts who make money from selling their ideas. Who is right? Is there only one right? Who to trust? What is right for me? Why is this so? The biggest thing I reckon you can do is get a program that will fit your lifestyle in the long term and help you achieve your own goals over the long term. There is no one best way - it is a journey anyway - you never actually get there. There is no magic formula or workout to lift your performances. It is just good old hard work applied in a scientific and repeatable manner over time...

Hopefully the Aussie Dollar will bounce back to the levels it was 6 months ago against the Greenback and I will purchase an IM plan off the EN guys for my next attenmpt at that distance. But in the meantime I am applying all the principles and the are going great

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TryScott posted 48 weeks ago.

Dang, nobody posted the magical solution that guarantees I"ll achieve my max performance level, stay injury free, have fun, fit my schedule, and won't burn out. However, at least I know I'm not alone in being overwhelmed with options.

Thanks for all the advice. I really admire the trifuelers that have the long term approach. Activities we do, and the lifestyle we live, obviously overlap. However, the long term triathletes lean toward this sport as a lifestyle, and not something we do. I've been thinking about this a lot more over the last week, and I hope I find the middle ground between good performances and keeping it fun over a long time.

My search continues to find the plan that's fun to do, gets me sub 10 hour IM, and keeps me interested in the sport for the next 50 years... :)

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advobwhite posted 48 weeks ago.

i just found one that suits my recovery time and work schedule. being new to triathlons, luckily i wasn't new to fitness, so i knew what my recovery capabilities were. thats the key to any program for any sport or fitness goal, is knowing your body and designing, or choosing a program around your abilities.