Was this Illegal?
They noticed, I heard it on the life feed and never gave it two thoughts. As much as I don't think it should be, it sounds like it was a violation. It should also be known that I don't know jack when it comes to tri rules. I just like to swim, bike and run, the rules be damned.
I guess you can interpret the rule in two ways.
CW was responsible for the repair of her tube which she did, as no one else touched her bike. The rule doesnt state that another athlete cant provide her equipment, only that they they cannot provide assistance. Now assitance is a broad term, but I think the spirit of the rule is if you can't change a tire by yourself, then you shouldn't be racing.
Now if another athlete did stop and assist, that athlete would have to have a very generous heart, especially in the pro ranks. Way to go Rebecca Keat.
Anyone disagree ?
I have been at Ironaman races where there is a dedicated crew that will help repair tires on the course. you have to be in the right place at the right time for them to get to you but I always thought it was wierd.
I think as long as you do the repair then it's fair game. There's only so much you can do...you could end up getting endless flats, as long as you put in the work you should get credit for the race. That's badass Rebecca helped her out. True sportsmanship.
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Now assitance is a broad term
I gave a tube to a guy in a race one time. I didn't think anything about it at the time but after the race, I thought I had violated the rules. When I saw this post, I immediately thought she had violated the rules but I guess I am just misunderstanding the rules.
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I don't think it's a violation. She was still responsible for performing the "repair and maintenance" of her bike. She was simply given equipment (A CO2 cartridge), and it doesn't say anything about equipment.
I can't remember where I saw it, but I thought I read once that a guy was DQ'd at Kona because his friends were giving him beer on the run from the sidelines.(I would have loved to have seen his race report)
No violation just a class act.
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I had the same thought as hipfan....how is giving someone a tube when they have a flat tire not outside assistance, but giving someone gatorade or even running alongside them for a few minutes to encourage them not outside assistance? Either way it is providing aid to an athlete to help them keep moving forward in a way that they might not have been able to do without that aid.
I'm not saying Chrissie or Rebekah should be DQ'd, more that I guess there's more gray area in this rule than I thought.
At the Longhorn 70.3 two weeks ago they had a dedicated crew that would provide assistance to people on the bike course if they had flats. I am not sure if they gave equipment, or assisted in the repairs but the service was provided by the race itself. The drawback being you would have to sit and wait until the crew got to your position which could be a long time.
If the race itself is providing the help it must be OK right? This was my first 70.3 so I am not sure if it is a normal thing but it looks to me to be the same as another racer giving equipment.
If you take a strict interpretation of "assistance," then yes, it should be construed as illegal. I suppose, however, the mitigating factor is that it involved pros who are sponsored by the same companies (cervelo, oakley, blue seventy) which are business partners of WTC (sponsors, advertisers, vendors, etc.). There is no way WTC is going to DQ the star athlete of a multi-million dollar bike manufacturer and at the same time, hype her bike brand as the most popular bike at Kona, and risk alienating the company that happily sponsors so many pros.
I can't remember where I saw it, but I thought I read once that a guy was DQ'd at Kona because his friends were giving him beer on the run from the sidelines.(I would have loved to have seen his race report)
it was chuckie V back in '03 and apparently is was outside assistance oops
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I think it was good sportmanship by another athlete. That is awesome to see.
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The legality is up for interpretation, at least when considering the age-group rules. Bike rule 12 states, "Each athlete must be individually responsible for repair and maintenance of their own bike." It does not stipulate they are required to provide their own equipment for the repair, merely the work, i.e. another athlete is not allowed to fix a tire for you, but is allowed to hand you a pump to inflate it yourself. You are not, though, allowed to receive any form of assistance from outside the race course (see bike rule 9).
For the pros. Macca pulled out after being told a repair of his deraileur cable would take 15 minutes. He didn't have the equipment on him, wouldn't have been making the repair himself (done by the sag wagon mechanic), but wouldn't have been disqualified from the race. Chrissie would have been waiting for 20+ minutes to get the equipment necessary from the sag wagon, which would have put her at an even greater disadvantage, and one not befalling the pro men in a similar situation. Here, equal application of rules to men and women will prevent Chrissie from being DQ'd.
she was given a defacto 10 min penalty on the bike to fix her flat. what's the big deal. a fellow racer did her a favor and the best got to race with the best with no excuses. the best athlete won
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While i think it was great sportsmanship and I do applaud it, I do believe that technically it was in violation of the rule. I do not like the rule and think it should be cleaned up so as to be clearer but I do sadly think it was a violation, but in the best sort of way.
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I think it's a ping, but THEY can do whatever they want.
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Jimmy Riccitello once flatted at St. Croix and he had no spare, no pump and begged his fellow racers on camera for assistance. I don't remember who exactly gave him the spare tubbie, but Jimmy knows the rules as he is now rules-chief for WTC.
Rules are necessary to give an event structure and to give the authorities the means to mediate without charges of tyranny.
But precedent law has shown us that it can get silly when you try to apply the letter of the law, so we try to enforce the "spirit of the law."
Maybe we can't define good sportsmanship, but we know it when we see it.
Kudos to 'bekah.
If the third place finisher had registered a protest, that would be a different scenario I would bet, a real headache for organizers and precedent setting too. They would then have a discussion and tighten up the rulebook as happens from time to time.
First place is now worth more than $100,000 plus endorsements so future protests could be imminent should this arise again.
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Well at IMC in the pre race meeting they made it clear last year that you could take a co2 cartridge, pump, tire etc from another racer but you had to change the tire your self. Same rules apply in Kona so whats the problem?
Well at IMC in the pre race meeting they made it clear last year that you could take a co2 cartridge, pump, tire etc from another racer but you had to change the tire your self. Same rules apply in Kona so whats the problem?
If that's the case then...by all means. It was a fine, upstanding thing to do, legal or illegal.
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Well at IMC in the pre race meeting they made it clear last year that you could take a co2 cartridge, pump, tire etc from another racer but you had to change the tire your self. Same rules apply in Kona so whats the problem?
That certainly clears that up assuming the same rules apply.
Still, very awesome sportsmanship no matter the rule.
Awesome sportsmanship from Rebecca Keat.
CW broke the course record for the run. Who cares if she violated the rules? Haha, just sayin.
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As the OP, I am compelled to say that I agree with the sportmanship of the act during the race and honestly I doubt anyone really questions that aspect of what happened. I also think that CW is the best Female Ironman Triahtlete in the world right now - whether she wins Kona or not.
But honestly, if the rules state that you can't recieve "Assistance by anyone, including other athletes" then I think this is a violation. The act of another athlete coming to a stop, digging through their repair kit and handing another athlete a CO2 cartridge during a race is assistance.
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At least, according to ITU rules, it would not be illegal.
I checked when a similar situation happened to me at a race. When my first flat ocurred, I changed tube, inflated tire and went on. 10 minutes later I got my second flat but had no more spare tubes. A friend saw me, and after making fun of me, he gave me his spare tube.
The rules said that I would be DQF if I got any assistance from the technical crew. However, if a fellow competitor gives you a tube or a cartridge, it is not considered technical assistance and you can go on, repair your flat, and win the race. (Not my case, but for the record, I did get a PR on the run)
As the OP, I am compelled to say that I agree with the sportmanship of the act during the race and honestly I doubt anyone really questions that aspect of what happened. I also think that CW is the best Female Ironman Triahtlete in the world right now - whether she wins Kona or not.But honestly, if the rules state that you can't recieve "Assistance by anyone, including other athletes" then I think this is a violation. The act of another athlete coming to a stop, digging through their repair kit and handing another athlete a CO2 cartridge during a race is assistance.
Ok, what then is the purpose of a sag wagon? They are not there simply to haul your bike back when you get too many flats. That too is getting assistance (yes they are specifically outlined I know) but if they do the maintenance, for someone and another person does it themselves is that not an advantage for one but an advantage for another. Those same rules also say that technical assistance does not include tires.
The rule also says "grounds for disqualificatipn" which is also "gray area" in that it does not say "immediate disqualification" or simply "disqualification"
Like I said, in our meeting they said you could receive the equipment, not the aide of another person and specifically mentioned co2.
The rule also says "grounds for disqualificatipn" which is also "gray area" in that it does not say "immediate disqualification" or simply "disqualification"
Like I said, in our meeting they said you could receive the equipment, not the aide of another person and specifically mentioned co2.
USAT rules say it is a variable time penalty
d. Unauthorized Assistance. No participant shall accept from any person (other than a race official) physical
assistance in any form, including food, drink, equipment, support, pacing, a replacement bicycle or bicycle
parts, unless an express exception has been granted and approved, in writing, by USA Triathlon. The receipt of
information regarding the progress, split times, or location of other competitors on the race course shall not be
considered the acceptance of unauthorized assistance. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable
time penalty.
which for the first infranction for a ultra course race is I think 6 minutes (and she lost 10 minutes changing the tire - time served I say)
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The rule also says "grounds for disqualificatipn" which is also "gray area" in that it does not say "immediate disqualification" or simply "disqualification"
Like I said, in our meeting they said you could receive the equipment, not the aide of another person and specifically mentioned co2.
USAT rules say it is a variable time penalty
d. Unauthorized Assistance. No participant shall accept from any person (other than a race official) physical
assistance in any form, including food, drink, equipment, support, pacing, a replacement bicycle or bicycle
parts, unless an express exception has been granted and approved, in writing, by USA Triathlon. The receipt of
information regarding the progress, split times, or location of other competitors on the race course shall not be
considered the acceptance of unauthorized assistance. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable
time penalty.
which for the first infranction for a ultra course race is I think 6 minutes (and she lost 10 minutes changing the tire - time served I say)
They are not following USAT. WTC. But you are right about the time.























I didn't watch the live feed from Kona this year (I was doing my own race) and was reading the race summery on Slowtwitch when I read this:
"Chrissie Wellington's flat tire, roughly halfway into the bike leg, came when she was 5 minutes up on second place. Her crisis turned into a nightmare when she used up her CO2 cartridges while failing to inflate her spare. Good sportsman Rebecca Keat offered a lifeline in the form of a cartridge, and Wellington was back in business, albeit 10 minutes later."
This is what it says about outside assistance in the 2007 Ironman Championships media guide (could be outdated) as rule 12 under the bike course section:
"Each athlete must be individually responsible for repair and maintenance of their own bike. Assistance by anyone, including other athletes, other than IRONMAN bike technical support officials will be grounds for disqualification. Each cyclist should be prepared to handle any possible mechanical malfunction. Technical support does not include the normal changing of flat tires."
So is it a violation of the rules regarding accepting assistance from outside sources? Am I missing something here? Is this just reported wrongly on Slowtwitch? I have to admit that I'm not really sure the intent of the last sentence - "Technical support does not include the normal changing of flat tires" in so far as does that mean you CAN help with flat tires or does it mean that the Bike support staff will not help you with flat tires.
I must be missing something because surely this didn't go unnoticed?
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