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http://www.hfcsfacts.com/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=high...

This is just disgusting in my opinion. No different than tobacco company doing "research" saying cigarettes are safe yuck!

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chekmarks posted 9 weeks ago.

my favorite part:

"Copyright © 2008 The Corn Refiners Association"

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jeiii posted 9 weeks ago.

They must be launching some type of campaign because they just had an ad on TV trying to deny all the things that have come out about it.

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cuds posted 9 weeks ago.

I am going to pretend that is a joke and continue to be happy that we really don't use hfcs in Canada.

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tsilcyc posted 9 weeks ago.

This is absolutely ridiculous. HFCS is in EVERYTHING! I started making a list of strange places I found HFCS, here are a few of my favorites:

- Raisin Bran
- A Jar of Pickles
- Hershey's Chocolate Syrup
- Pickled Beets
- Fat Free Salad Dressing

They should change that copyright to read:

"Copyright © 2008 The Society for a More Obese America"

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textri posted 9 weeks ago.

I don't know, there is a hot chick enjoying HFCS on the front page. I bet she is looking for a obese inactive male to go out with.

Finishing the race is the only thing that validates the cause.

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Dean55 posted 9 weeks ago.

I can't claim to be an expert on the subject but here are some statements on their web sites about HFCS from some so-called "experts":

"There's no substantial evidence to support the idea that high-fructose corn syrup is somehow responsible for obesity." "If there was no high-fructose corn syrup, I don't think we would see a change in anything important. I think there's this overreaction." (Dr. Walter Willett, Chairman of the Nutrition Department, Harvard School of Public Health; as quoted in The New York Times article, "Does This Goo Make You Groan?" [print]/"A Sweetener with a Bad Rap" [online]; by Melanie Warner; 07/02/06)

"It's basically no different from table sugar. Table sugar is glucose and fructose stuck together. Corn sweeteners are glucose and fructose separated. The body really can't tell them apart ..." (Dr. Marion Nestle, Paulette Goddard Professor of Nutrition, Food Studies, and Public Health, New York University, author of "What to Eat" and "Food Politics"; comparing HFCS to table sugar at the TIME/ABC News Summit on Obesity; 06/03/04)

"The authors of this paper misunderstand chemistry, draw erroneous conclusions and have done a disservice to the public in generating this controversy." (Dr. Michael Jacobsen, Executive Director, Center for Science in Public Interest; on Bray/Popkin "commentary" wrongly linking HFCS to obesity; as quoted in the Associated Press article, "Study partly blames widely used sweetener for rise in obesity"; by Steve Hartsoe; 03/25/04)

"HFCS is the chemical and nutritional equivalent of table sugar (sucrose). The two substances have the same calories, the same chemical composition and are metabolized identically." "The increase in the prevalence of obesity in the U.S. coincides with the increased use of HFCS and it is tempting for some of the experts to pose the obvious question: Does HFCS cause obesity? We know, of course, that the simultaneous occurrence of two events does not necessarily mean that one caused the other and, in the case of HFCS, it is fair to say that there is no causal relationship between the two. The prevalence of obesity and diabetes is increasing even more rapidly in parts of the world where HFCS is not used in any significant amounts." (Dr. Arthur Frank, M.D., Medical Director, George Washington University Weight Management Program; in the commentary "Carbs and calories, confusion and chaos", published in The Washington Times; 12/06/06)

"It was a theory meant to spur science, but it's quite possible that it may be found out not to be true." "I don't think there should be a perception that high-fructose corn syrup has caused obesity until we know more." (Dr. Barry M. Popkin, Professor, Department of Nutrition, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill; as quoted in The New York Times article, "Does This Goo Make You Groan?" [print]/"A Sweetener with a Bad Rap" [online]; by Melanie Warner; 07/02/06)

"I don't think it is likely that things would be very different if people consumed increased amounts of either sucrose or high-fructose corn syrup." "Overconsumption of either sweetener, along with dietary fat and decreased physical activity, could contribute to weight gain." (Dr. Peter J. Havel, Associate Researcher, Department of Nutrition, University of California, Davis; as quoted in The New York Times article, "Does This Goo Make You Groan?" [print]/"A Sweetener with a Bad Rap" [online]; by Melanie Warner; 07/02/06)

Those so-called experts actually have some decent credentials. But the dates of their statements are all circa 2004 to 2006. Wonder if any of them have changed their tune based on more recent research.

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tsilcyc posted 9 weeks ago.

Plenty of experts on both sides.

"Several studies show that drinking large amounts of soft drinks is associated with increased risk for obesity and that the extra gain in weight is not due just to the calories in the beverages. Evidently something in soft drinks makes people eat more food than they would otherwise. High fructose corn syrup may be that factor." - January 14, 2006, Gabe Mirkin, M.D.

"ScienceDaily (Aug. 23, 2007) — Researchers have found new evidence that soft drinks sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) may contribute to the development of diabetes, particularly in children. In a laboratory study of commonly consumed carbonated beverages, the scientists found that drinks containing the syrup had high levels of reactive compounds that have been shown by others to have the potential to trigger cell and tissue damage that could cause the disease, which is at epidemic levels. " - Referenced study conducted by Chi-Tang Ho, Ph.D.

"July 14, 2008 - Dr. Julie Lumeng of the University of Michigan: "By exposing children to more sweet foods . . . you may be inducing a long-term preference for sweets that leads to excessive caloric consumption."

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azstinger11 posted 9 weeks ago.

I can personally attest that cutting HFCS out of my diet alone was responsible for significant weight loss and better health. Yeah I saw the add on TV too which angered me as well, BS i say BS!!!

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jnrice posted 9 weeks ago.

Here comes the rant:

Has anyone noticed how much more expensive it is to eat if you chose to not eat HFCS? I made that decision about a month ago and my food bill is a solid 25% higher. I am a die hard fan of the PB&J on some nice whole grain bread and to get jam that doesn't have HFCS is about 150% the cost of anything else on the shelf.

My favorite quote was in response to "is there a correlation between HFCS and obesity?" Those Scientists of The Corn said "health experts and researchers generally agree that the chief cause is an imbalance between calories consumed and calories burned" .... and the intelligent world says "DUH! Didn't we just ask you WHY that is?"

How about this question, "why is there HFCS in so many products?" Couldn't we fix the imbalance if needless calories weren't put into nearly every product on the shelf? How about using those calories and making bio-diesel and power vehicles with that corn?

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burnman posted 9 weeks ago.

HFCS is in anything that tastes good or is unnecessarily affordable. All I know is that I've never seen so many adolescent boys with man boobs in my entire life. And I must say that the biggest shock was the pickles ... wtf. As for this massive PR campaign they're launching, the corn refiners association may as well be saying "there's no proof that eating a pile of sh*t leaves a crappy taste in your mouth." It all stinks of Karl Rove.

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tsilcyc posted 9 weeks ago.

jnrice wrote:
How about this question, "why is there HFCS in so many products?" Couldn't we fix the imbalance if needless calories weren't put into nearly every product on the shelf? How about using those calories and making bio-diesel and power vehicles with that corn?

It's in so many products because it's less expensive to produce products with it.

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fastdog5 posted 9 weeks ago.

jeiii wrote:
They must be launching some type of campaign because they just had an ad on TV trying to deny all the things that have come out about it.

I saw that the other night & almost threw up. Best quote from that spot: "It's safe in moderation." Great, then quit putting it in my ketchup you rat-ba*tards.

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azstinger11 posted 9 weeks ago.

yeah i agree ketchup is a weakness of mine, though I did find some ketchup that doesn't have HFCS it Safeway brand Organic tomato ketchup =)

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overcome posted 9 weeks ago.

Dole Pineapple orange banana juice has none, and it tastes good!

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tsilcyc posted 9 weeks ago.

azstinger11 wrote:
yeah i agree ketchup is a weakness of mine, though I did find some ketchup that doesn't have HFCS it Safeway brand Organic tomato ketchup =)

Costco sells Heinz Organic Ketchup and it does not have it.

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go 'gate 2006 posted 9 weeks ago.

jnrice wrote:
I am a die hard fan of the PB&J on some nice whole grain bread and to get jam that doesn't have HFCS is about 150% the cost of anything else on the shelf.

And it's not just the jam either. There are many 100% Whole Wheat breads out there with HFCS as well. I was shocked to discover that it was in my usual brand, as well as a lot of other brands...

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TriSooner posted 9 weeks ago.

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Pickled Beets

I think you buried the lead here. You eat pickled beets?

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Socket posted 9 weeks ago.

Don't beets have a lot of natural sugar in them anyway? I'm going to have to look through my fridge and cabinets... I do my best to pick up the "natural" and "organic" stuff when I can, just not the "organic" fruits and veggies since I really can't justify the 200% price difference for the exact same thing.

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beads1985 posted 9 weeks ago.

HFCS is added to a lot of products because it is a cheap additive.

I am not defending HFCS in anyway, but....

HFCS is not responsible for crappy eating habits.

I could eat 4-5 eggs every morning, with cheese, and several greasy cheeseburgers on organic rolls for lunch, and eat spoonfuls of organic peanut butter, and drink whole organic milk, and have a big bowl full of organic pasta and organic alfredo sauce. None of which would have HFCS, and surprise,...
I would gain weight and have health issues.

People are responsible for choosing their food, opening their mouths, stuffing their face, and parking it on the couch for hours.

Read labels, make smart choices, eat less fat, HFCS, and refined sugars, control your portions, and exercise.

Accusing a food additive of making us unhealthy, is a great way of avoiding personal responsibilty for your health.

Nothing to it, but to do it

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fastdog5 posted 9 weeks ago.

beads1985 wrote:
Accusing a food additive of making us unhealthy, is a great way of avoiding personal responsibilty for your health.

This would be true if you believe the body does not process HFCS any differently than sugar.

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TriSooner posted 9 weeks ago.

beads1985 wrote:
Accusing a food additive of making us unhealthy is a great way of avoiding personal responsibilty for your health.
For the win!

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RV posted 9 weeks ago.

TriSooner wrote:
beads1985 wrote:
Accusing a food additive of making us unhealthy is a great way of avoiding personal responsibility for your health.
For the win!

Yes - well said!

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mwconstruct1972 posted 9 weeks ago.

Check the label on your Gatorade/ Powerade lately? HCFS is also a primary sweetner in most sports drinks. The athlete has to go out of his/her way and much deeper into the pocketbook to avoid HCFS for products like Cytomax or Hammer HEED. In addition, it probagates the myth that Gatorade/Powerade type sport drinks are better for the average consumer than canned colas. The only real benefit is the reduction in cafffeine- otherwise they both amount to a bottle of sugar and food coloring.

Unfortunately it is all about marketing and the almighty dollar. Until we as consumers refuse the crap that is put on the market- producers are going to continue to provide as little as possible for the best profit. The food and beverage industry is not going to willingly admit the danger inherent in the use of HCFS any more than the tobacco industry. They will continue to take advantage of the fact that the average consumer is not going to do the homework.

Yes there is the issue of personal responsibility, but it must also be balanced with ethical business practices (is that an oxymoron when applied to big business?). Maybe I am just cynical and don't trust anyone anymore, but it has made me do my homework and I can make an informed decision.

Lets have a scavenger hunt to find the most obscure places and uses for HCFS.
Have fun reading the labels.

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NotAsFast posted 9 weeks ago.

textri wrote:
I don't know, there is a hot chick enjoying HFCS on the front page. I bet she is looking for a obese inactive male to go out with.

There is the correlation between obesity and HFCS, exercise, amount we eat and drink etc.

Cane sugar is cut, processed, mixed with water then evaporated until the sugar granules are formed. A natural process.

HFCS is made from corn starch using a series of unit processes that include steeping corn to soften the hard kernel; physical separation of the kernel into its separate components—starch, corn hull, protein and oil; breakdown of the starch to glucose; use of enzymes to invert glucose to fructose; removal of impurities; and blending of glucose and fructose to make HFCS-42 and HFCS-55.

Now how is that a natural process. Corn in the natural environment will never be exposed to those enzymes to convert to fructose. Now Sugar from cane is already there, just needs to be evaporated or reduced.

How is HFCS organic ?

As for it causing obesity....... It is an ingredient in the whole overall picture that is combined together to cause obesity.

Take a Pepsi can. 150 Calories. 30mg Sodium (Makes you want to drink more), 41g Carbs all sugar. Contains carbonated water (When would we drink carbonated water in the real world), HFCS (Nuff said), Caramel Color(We want our water to look black), Sugar (Well at least it is natural), Phosphoric Acid (Once again, when would we drink Phosphoric acid in the real world), Caffeine 38mg (Admit I still use it in my Gu's), Citric Acid (Again Acid), natural flavors (Ok, let us know what is natural). The hardest part is what is their ratio's of mixture. This is the key thing we will never know. But judging from the high Carb content it is mainly HFCS.

We as the principals of our own body have the information, the mechanisms, the products and the ability to guide our own ultimate health levels including obesity, so blaming HFCS as the sole source of obesity is misleading, even though it plays a part.

It is up to US to make sure we are educated and to educate others that the right way to keep healthy is to run your body as it was designed. You can put bad gas in a car, and it will run poorly or maybe stop runnning, but put the good stuff in (Clean, not high octane), and your car will run properly with maybe an occasional breakdown, but they are manufacturing or structural problems, not related to the gas you use.

My 2c worth.

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beads1985 posted 9 weeks ago.

fastdog5 wrote:
beads1985 wrote:
Accusing a food additive of making us unhealthy, is a great way of avoiding personal responsibilty for your health.

This would be true if you believe the body does not process HFCS any differently than sugar.

I do believe that the body does process the HFCS differently than sugar.

However,

HFCS can't make me unhealthy if I choose not to eat it or limit my intake.
It can't make we want to eat or drink more if I don't have it.

I am sure there are some things that I eat and drink that do have it, Gatorade and sports drinks for example but I am not drinking gallons of it every day.
I pay attention to what I eat, and I exercise frequently.
It is my personal choice, and personal responsibility to know what I am feeding myself and my family, and to not be a couch potato. ;-)

Nothing to it, but to do it

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RREfan posted 9 weeks ago.

NotAsFast wrote:
Now how is that a natural process.

I think it's natural because humans are part of nature.

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tsilcyc posted 9 weeks ago.

TriSooner wrote:
tsilcyc wrote:
Pickled Beets

I think you buried the lead here. You eat pickled beets?

I grabbed the wrong can at the grocery store. I did not eat them.

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xc800runner posted 9 weeks ago.

"Is there a correlation between the introduction of HFCS & the rise of obesity in the last 30 years?"

The round about response to this question is fantastic. They don't directly say "no" because the way the question is worded would open them up to lawsuits if they were to do so, rather they blame obesity on television, video games, and, essentially, meats.

The simple fact is, and they admit this by not refuting the claim directly, the introduction of HFCS does correlate with a rise in obesity. It is an additive in products now that were never sugar containing before its inception and don't need any sweetening. It's a causal relationship, where people buy sweet products because that is what they have been conditioned to like and expect, and they expect foods to taste a certain way because they contain HFCS.

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tsilcyc posted 9 weeks ago.

beads1985 wrote:
Accusing a food additive of making us unhealthy, is a great way of avoiding personal responsibilty for your health.

I agree. But I find that I'm turning over every product to be sure HFCS is not an ingredient. I doubt the average obese kid is going to do that.

I haven't found products labelled "organic" to contain HFCS... yet. I find that I'm seeking those out more often now.

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beads1985 posted 9 weeks ago.

tsilcyc wrote:
beads1985 wrote:
Accusing a food additive of making us unhealthy, is a great way of avoiding personal responsibilty for your health.

I agree. But I find that I'm turning over every product to be sure HFCS is not an ingredient. I doubt the average obese kid is going to do that.

I haven't found products labelled "organic" to contain HFCS... yet. I find that I'm seeking those out more often now.

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I pay attention to what I eat, and I exercise frequently.
It is my personal choice, and personal responsibility to know what I am feeding myself and my family, and to not be a couch potato. ;-)

The average obese kid is not looking at labels for HFCS, but the parents should be, and they should get that kid away from the fridge, video games and TV and get him some water and go outside and play with the kid.

I make sure that there are lots of healthy snacks and drinks around the house. My daughters drink lots of water, and skim milk, and don't even like soda. They eat lots of fruits and veggies.
When we go shopping, I show them how to look at labels.

They play on soccer teams and I have coached them.

When they are with me we are outside playing, biking, swimming, hiking in the woods.

They are skinny and have little muscles developing.

It takes effort for me and them but now it is a habit and a lifestyle. ;-)

Nothing to it, but to do it

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cogirl3 posted 9 weeks ago.

beads1985 wrote:
HFCS is added to a lot of products because it is a cheap additive.

I am not defending HFCS in anyway, but....

HFCS is not responsible for crappy eating habits.

I could eat 4-5 eggs every morning, with cheese, and several greasy cheeseburgers on organic rolls for lunch, and eat spoonfuls of organic peanut butter, and drink whole organic milk, and have a big bowl full of organic pasta and organic alfredo sauce. None of which would have HFCS, and surprise,...
I would gain weight and have health issues.

People are responsible for choosing their food, opening their mouths, stuffing their face, and parking it on the couch for hours.

Read labels, make smart choices, eat less fat, HFCS, and refined sugars, control your portions, and exercise.

Accusing a food additive of making us unhealthy, is a great way of avoiding personal responsibilty for your health.


Absolutely. I am a dietitian (as most of you know by now) and I can tell you first hand from working with people every day to help them lost weight and be healthier. HCFS is NOT TO BLAME FOR OUR OBESITY EPIDEMIC.

Yes, HFCS is not healthy, and should be avoided if you can, but there are so many other factors playing into someone being overweight. Our entire society at this point is built around less movement, and more food. Just look around, how many people are in cars driving to places, rather than walking/ biking? How many fast food places and other restaurants do you drive by in a 5 mile radius? Who's child has NOT had their gym/ recess time cut in the last few years? And how many commercials do you see for unhealthy foods with high fat, high sugar, compared to commercials for fruits, vegetables, or whole grains? The point I'm trying to get at, is you cannot blame our obesity on one thing- HFCS. It is everything! And you know what the driving force behind everything is- $$$!! So put your money where your mouth is, and refuse to buy foods with HFCS, talk to your congressmen about putting in more sidewalks, more bike paths, talk to your priniples and teachers regarding your concerns about less gym time in school, and soda machines in school. And email, write letters to food companies complaining about HFCS and other sugars in their foods. The more people that stand up for it, they may finally take notice of what the public wants. Take action about it. We are never going to change if all we do is complain about what they are doing... DO something about it!

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beads1985 posted 9 weeks ago.

cogirl3 wrote:
beads1985 wrote:
HFCS is added to a lot of products because it is a cheap additive.

I am not defending HFCS in anyway, but....

HFCS is not responsible for crappy eating habits.

I could eat 4-5 eggs every morning, with cheese, and several greasy cheeseburgers on organic rolls for lunch, and eat spoonfuls of organic peanut butter, and drink whole organic milk, and have a big bowl full of organic pasta and organic alfredo sauce. None of which would have HFCS, and surprise,...
I would gain weight and have health issues.

People are responsible for choosing their food, opening their mouths, stuffing their face, and parking it on the couch for hours.

Read labels, make smart choices, eat less fat, HFCS, and refined sugars, control your portions, and exercise.

Accusing a food additive of making us unhealthy, is a great way of avoiding personal responsibilty for your health.


Absolutely. I am a dietitian (as most of you know by now) and I can tell you first hand from working with people every day to help them lost weight and be healthier. HCFS is NOT TO BLAME FOR OUR OBESITY EPIDEMIC.

Yes, HFCS is not healthy, and should be avoided if you can, but there are so many other factors playing into someone being overweight. Our entire society at this point is built around less movement, and more food. Just look around, how many people are in cars driving to places, rather than walking/ biking? How many fast food places and other restaurants do you drive by in a 5 mile radius? Who's child has NOT had their gym/ recess time cut in the last few years? And how many commercials do you see for unhealthy foods with high fat, high sugar, compared to commercials for fruits, vegetables, or whole grains? The point I'm trying to get at, is you cannot blame our obesity on one thing- HFCS. It is everything! And you know what the driving force behind everything is- $$$!! So put your money where your mouth is, and refuse to buy foods with HFCS, talk to your congressmen about putting in more sidewalks, more bike paths, talk to your priniples and teachers regarding your concerns about less gym time in school, and soda machines in school. And email, write letters to food companies complaining about HFCS and other sugars in their foods. The more people that stand up for it, they may finally take notice of what the public wants. Take action about it. We are never going to change if all we do is complain about what they are doing... DO something about it!

Exactly, do something about it.

Nothing to it, but to do it

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fastdog5 posted 9 weeks ago.

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Yes, HFCS is not healthy, and should be avoided if you can,

Stop right there. This is the real issue for me. I don't think too many people posting here have a problem with obesity & I'm not sure how we got down that road. If we agree it is at best unhealthy, tell me why it has to be in our food at all. Why does it have to be in 3/4 of the foods marketed to toddlers and children (my own unscientific observation)? Yes, I am fit...But why do I need to have at least some of my fitness gains offset by this crap? It's easy to say "buy organic." Organic food is expensive. I have 2 kids & 1 income; with the price of everything else going through the roof, organic isn't happening in my house to any meaningful extent.

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beads1985 posted 9 weeks ago.

fastdog5 wrote:
cogirl3 wrote:
Yes, HFCS is not healthy, and should be avoided if you can,

Stop right there. This is the real issue for me. I don't think too many people posting here have a problem with obesity & I'm not sure how we got down that road. If we agree it is at best unhealthy, tell me why it has to be in our food at all. Why does it have to be in 3/4 of the foods marketed to toddlers and children (my own unscientific observation)? Yes, I am fit...But why do I need to have at least some of my fitness gains offset by this crap? It's easy to say "buy organic." Organic food is expensive. I have 2 kids & 1 income; with the price of everything else going through the roof, organic isn't happening in my house to any meaningful extent.

I understand that as well. For awhile it was only 1 income for me as well.
I didn't neccessarily buy 'organic' but I got lots of fresh fruit and veggies, and not so many prepared foods. I tried to make a lot of meals from scratch and not from a box. I bake or grill chicken, steam veggies, or serve them fresh. I like Barilla Plus for pasta.
If you make it yourself you can usually make a better meal.

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TriSooner posted 9 weeks ago.

RREfan wrote:
NotAsFast wrote:
Now how is that a natural process.

I think it's natural because humans are part of nature.

We have two "for the win"?! That's unpossible.

fastdog5 wrote:
tell me why it has to be in our food at all. Why does it have to be in 3/4 of the foods marketed to toddlers and children (my own unscientific observation)?

Cheap additive + makes food oh so tasty + increases shelf life + government corn subsidies = Profit for Multinational Food Conglomerate.