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Anaerobic speed work and vomiting

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started by stewarba on April 22, 2008

After reading some of the favorite track workouts in another thread, Trigator mentioned puking and it got me thinking. I hate puking (which I assume most do) but should that be a target for intense anaerobic workouts? I tend to stop when I get to that point, but I am wondering if it is something that I should be trying to push through and just, well... Let it go? Are there actual gains in going past the puking point or is going until you are right at that point suffecient?

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tresvite posted 1 year ago.

I'm not a coach, but it would seem to me that puking is your body's way of telling you that it has had enough. I would be surprised if it was OK to continue past that point in training and expect benefits form it.

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burnman posted 1 year ago.

Best topic title of the day - so far. I think that puking is a variable, not necessarily a threshold. If you get to the point of vomiting, chances are your body is rejecting the level of effort based on any number of conditions - be it fatigue or that spoiled seafood salad you had for lunch. The only time I have consistently gotten to the vomit point is if I'm doing an HRmax test, and that's well beyond the anaerobic threshold. Universal as gravity, the rule of thumb in training is to let your body tell you what it can and cannot do at that point in time.

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catwood posted 1 year ago.

I save that as a race only thing... "Save the last gear for the race." is sort of my philosophy on that. I consider an oly perfectly paced (but less than perfectly nutritioned) if I puke right after I cross the line. If it happens in training, it means that I totally screwed up my nutrition like I did a track workout right after lunch or something totally idiotic like that.

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deepbluex posted 1 year ago.

you people are a hard core bunch! I actually hit exercise-induced asthma threshold way before anything like anaerobic-puke-fests.

My body apparently doesn't go up to 11...

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TriSooner posted 1 year ago.

I've never puked during training. I have in races, though. I don't think puking during training is such a good idea. But you could look at it is a chance to get in some extra recovery calories.

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ChunkyB posted 1 year ago.

It might not be good because you lose your nutrition or whatever, but I know that I feel better after I puke. Granted, I haven't puked during exercise since high school football, but I always felt a lot better afterwards, provided I had some water to rinse out and what not.

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kkocan posted 1 year ago.

It must be different for everyone.
I swam for 8 years (YMCA through HS) and never even came close to puking from exercising. And we had some sadistic coaches at times and did some god awful workouts.
I then raced bikes for 2 years and again, never came close to puking even during time trials and or all out sprints/crits.
In 2 years of training and racing triathlon now I've never felt I was even close to puking. I can push my HR up to 200 (I'm 36) and have been buckled over out of breath hurting, but I've never felt like I was about to toss. I know from some speed run workouts I was completely shelled laying on the ground for 10 minutes wanting to die, but again, never felt like tossing.
I'm in a 20k time trial this sunday. All out for 28-29 minutes. My new goal is to go so hard I hurl, ideally the instant I am flying across the line. Maybe I should warn the people at the finish line.

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Sully800 posted 1 year ago.

Like most aspects of training, the puke response is highly variable for each individual. I've known people who throw up during any high level effort on the track, while I personally have an iron stomach and rarely lose my lunch. Only twice in my memory have a puked during a hard effort (once in a race and once in practice) and both were at times when I was also suffering an illness. I don't think its an indication that I don't work as hard as the frequent pukers, because I have collapsed/fainted multiple times without puking. I think perhaps my body loves food so much that it is reluctant to send it flying back out. I don't puke during a beer mile and very rarely when I'm sick, so I think I'm just lucky in that regard.

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Triguy98 posted 1 year ago.

I've never puked in all my years of running. I had major dry heaves one time, and would have prefered hurling then just to get it over with.

If you're puking, something is wrong. Not that you cant push through it (and I most definately would- especially on race day) but pushing through it during training might not be the best thing.

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UFTriGator posted 1 year ago.

I used to throw up after almost every 400 I raced in HS. I've thrown up a few times after races, including a little bit in my mouth on Saturday at Nationals after hanging on to surges from some CU Boulder kid for the last mile of the race (good thing I did all those 400s in HS and can out-kick pretty much anyone slow enough to be next to me coming into a finish).

I used to eay school lunches in HS, and I guess my body just got used to wanting to get rid of them after going super-anaerobic for 49 seconds. I guess I've just been puke-prone ever since.

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jsk85 posted 1 year ago.

I would be in the not puking category. When i was rowing I intentionally attempted to push to and past the puking level, but my body shut down long before I lost it. My teammates, however would put on quite a show.

I don't think I've ever come close thus far in my tri career

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catwood posted 1 year ago.

Count yourself lucky if you are one of those who doesn't get to the point of vomiting. Its really annoying to have your stomach be the limiting factor in a short race. For me, I think a fair amount of it is mental. Anytime after the midpoint of an oly run, if I even think about my stomach, it starts to rebel. Sometimes I can get it back under control, sometimes not. If I can't get it under control and I end up puking before the finish line, I have a hard time recovering. Whenever I hit that super anaerobic phase in the last mile-half mile of a race if I've pushed hard, my stomach is always a key factor.

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swimmer52 posted 1 year ago.

My body doesn't puke unless it's a food problem. I actually tried to push myself to the edge in HS swimming (there was a free Calvin & Hobbes t-shirt "I swam so hard I puked" that I wanted), alas my body wouldn't cooperate.

What I've gathered from the books I've read, in training you will make more gains in the long run by pushing yourself *almost* to the edge. If you go over it will take a lot longer to recover before you can go that hard again.

That's all I got.

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cjhoffmn posted 1 year ago.

When I rowed in college, it was fairly common to see someone, especially in training during winter on the ergs, lose it, but I don't think we ever considered it something to try to achieve. Alas, it did seem to be a hazard of setting a personal best for many.

I never have done that in training, despite some pretty near pass outs, but almost lost it after a crew race in the rain. Scary part was that I was carrying the coxswain at the time (it was a shore landing where we had to get out of the shell in about 3 feet of water and I picked her up so she didn't have to jump in) and she thought I was going to hurl into her lap. I got her to dry land and didn't hurl.

Maybe I'm getting old now, but somehow training to the point where I puke doesn't sound like a goal I'd pursue - maybe just shy of that.

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stewarba posted 1 year ago.

I guess I may have made it sound like I somehow wanted to achieve this as a goal. The truth is I don't want to blow chow as part of my workout. I do get to a point on occasion where I feel that I am going to and do a slight dry heave. It happened this past weekend during a rough swim in the ocean, but like Catwood said, I think it is more mental for me than anything. In that particular case I was fine (very tired from the rough water but OK) until I got out of the water and thought about it a little and then started dry heaving a couple of times which caused me to stop moving. I remember thinking to myself that this was ridiculous and the feeling went away and I was able to move on.

I have often wondered though if I pushed through that feeling that maybe it would go away because I really think that it is more mental than physical.

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Ping posted 1 year ago.

Interesting topic. I have had serious issues with puking and working out. It started lifting weights early in the morning but I realized it has more to do with food in my stomach during working out and less to do with the time of day.

I can not work out too soon after eating. If my stomach is digesting there is a pretty good chance I'll hurl if I work out for 30 minutes or more.

I will be doing my first Olympic distance this summer and am a little concerned that the hurling will become a problem if I ever try to do a half IM as its really hard for me to re-fuel during a race.

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kevinb421 posted 1 year ago.

This is an interesting thread, I have personally never puked but I excel at passing out when I cross the finish line on a very intense race.

Also just a little FYI - never volunteer to take bikes from athletes at an IM without a very strong stomach, you see some........interesting things that come from a person's stomach.

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